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Sionnach
05-29-2007, 08:22
You'll see this today, but...
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8PDS0N00&show_article=1
Flags Replaced With Swastikas in Wash.
May 29 01:54 AM US/Eastern
ORCAS ISLAND, Wash. (AP) - Vandals burned dozens of small American flags that decorated veterans' graves for Memorial Day and replaced many of them with hand-drawn swastikas, authorities said Monday.
Forty-six flag standards were found empty and another 33 flags were in charred tatters Sunday in the cemetery, authorities said. Swastikas drawn on paper appeared where 14 of the flags had been.
Members of the American Legion on this island off Washington's northwest coast replaced the burned flags with new ones Sunday afternoon.
The vandals struck again on Memorial Day after a guard left at dawn, the San Juan County sheriff's office said. This time, the vandals left 33 of the hand-drawn swastikas.
"This is not an act of free speech. This is a crime," Sheriff Bill Cumming said in a statement released Monday afternoon.
Investigators believe there's more than one culprit, based on the number of flags that were vandalized, Cumming said in a telephone interview. But authorities have no suspects, he said.
The sheriff said deputies were trying to lift fingerprints off what little physical evidence they were able to recover.
Now, please tell me again how the "right" is hate-filled?
The socialist, communist leftists are nothing more than cowards. If you meet one in a mano y mano situation, they will slink back into the hole from whence they came. These yellow bastards only have strength in groups.
What kind of human being attacks those who cannot defend themselves? Desecrating a grave is a new low, even for them. Someone needs a boot shoved sideways up their fourth-point-of-contact.
-S
It's one thing for people to not like what I do and tell me about it. It's something altogether different for someone to desecrate the grave of a person who gave/was willing to give their life for that idiot.
Lord help them if I ever run into them. :mad:
The Reaper
05-29-2007, 08:59
I was just wondering how they ran out of guards on a Memorial Day weekend.
If not the police or security guards, where are the local vets groups?
The left threatened to vandalize the Wall in DC during a recent protest, and when the vets showed up to defend, that didn't go very far.
I am still shocked that they vandalized the Capitol (as an alleged political statement), and got away with it.
TR
Sionnach
05-29-2007, 09:03
I was just wondering how they ran out of guards on a Memorial Day weekend.
EDIT: Nice to see "The Duke" make his return.
Sir,
They had posted a guard Saturday night after Friday night's vandalism. The guard left at dawn, and the vandals struck after that. I believe they made an incorrect assumption that the cowards would not strike during daylight.
It's a damn shame that we even have to think about posting guards on grave sites and memorials. Further evidence that the socialists have come completely unhinged, and are taking our nation with it.
-S
The Reaper
05-29-2007, 09:06
I saw that, I was wondering why they dropped the guard after dawn.
I would have loved to have been there when they came back.
No video or security camera footage of the "heroes" at work on YouTube yet?
The Duke is back for his birthday celebration.
TR
The Reaper
05-29-2007, 10:35
More cowards, this time, in the City of Brotherly Love. Why not show up during a meeting? Are they afraid of old men?
TR
http://www.nbc10.com/news/13403099/detail.html?dl=headlineclick
Vandals Tarnish Memorial Day With Swastikas
As veterans and their families filtered in to a local American Legion on Memorial Day, they found a somber scene.
Swastikas were sprayed all over the Manoa American Legion building in Delaware County, prevalently displayed and polluting the patriotic look of the veterans’ sanctuary.
"I was just shocked to think that someone would come to a place like this and desecrate it with a swastika,” said Phil Miller of American Legion Manoa Post 667. “Especially on Memorial Day. It's just horrible.”
Some volunteers spent the day of honor and remembrance painting over the fresh swastika graffiti that tarnished the post.
Police were still investigating the vandalism.
And, no great shock, in Mass.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2007/05/29/police_arrest_2_teens_at_parade/
Police arrest 2 teens at parade
Allegedly threw eggs at marchers
By Michael Levenson, Globe Staff | May 29, 2007
Standing ramrod straight in dress blues and crisp khakis, the seven color guard members lifted their rifles for one of the most solemn moments of any Memorial Day parade, the 21-gun salute. Hundreds who had gathered to witness the tribute watched in silence.
Just then, the eggs came flying. One glanced off a tree branch, and landed far away from the marchers in yesterday's Memorial Day Parade in Rockland, said Ryan Durfee , a former Marine who was marching in the color guard. Another crashed 8 feet in front of the color guard.
"Too close for comfort," Durfee said last night.
After the throwing , Durfee said he saw two teens run from their backyard into their house, and two police officers chase after them.
Rockland police said last night that they arrested two 13-year-olds and charged them with disorderly conduct and assault with a dangerous weapon, a felony.
Rockland Police Chief John Llewellyn told FOX-25 TV that the culprits were a "couple of 13-year-olds that just wanted to cause some trouble and they picked the wrong time and the wrong group of people to do it to."
Durfee said the color guard completed its 21-gun salute despite the disturbance. But last night at the Rockland Veterans of Foreign Wars center , emotions were still raw, said Steven MacDonald , the post commander.
"It's very discouraging, especially on a day like today," MacDonald said. "We don't need somebody throwing eggs at us. That's crazy. It's unacceptable."
MacDonald said several veterans are planning plan to show up at Hingham District Court today to demonstrate their disgust as the two teens are arraigned in the juvenile session.
The Duke is back for his birthday celebration.
TR
Sir,
Would you consider allowing a vote for him to stay. Your other avatar is great but what can hold a candle to Col. Kirby?
These folks need a beating. And to be made an example of.
x SF med
05-29-2007, 14:28
An open protest would have more meaning for them, but they are too cowardly to show their faces. Can't wait to see what Denver is like for the DNC, it's going to make Chicago 68 look like a love in...
Edited because I lost track of my fingers while typing, originally.
The Left shows their true colors again. Check out this web page the Dad made for his kid who shot the giant Pig in Alabama. The negative comments section is how they really think. Remember these comments are directed at an 11 year old Boy.
http://www.monsterpig.com/
An open protest would have more meaning for them, but they are too cowardly to show their faces. Can't wait to see what Chicago is like for the DNC, it's going to make 68 look like a love in...
It's in Denver for '08...they had one in Chicago for the 1996 election.
x SF med
05-29-2007, 16:55
OOPS!!! brainfart, sorry - lost part of my post in translation from brain to fingers. Thanks Gypsy, nice catch. I'll go fix it now.:(
Anytime, figured somehting was missing there Oh Magificent Troll. :D
Noslack71
05-29-2007, 18:55
I spent a fair amount of time in the islands. Only way off or on is by ferry, small boat or plane. Just a guess, but they are not islanders. fair number of whack jobs, commies WTO & animal rights types that have been spiking trees & killing loggers for years. Mr. Harsey is familar with this type of NW Vermin. WA DOT has pictures of all autos on off the ferries. Should not be too difficult. If I remember correctly, the web site is a public one. A couple of the ferries stop in British Columbia before making their way back to the US. They could be Canadian whack jobs. It is they rain that seems to encourage those muntant spores to grow. Just about anyone could probably track these Loons. My guess is the SD had their sworn officers and most of their aux force at the bigger island (San Juan & Friday Harbor) that is where the bars, boats and drunks would most likely cause problems. Not alot on Orcas except, a very nice park and, mostly retired folks. My past experience is that someone knows and will tune those folks up in the alley's of Bellingham or, Port Angeles. Probably some nice loggers!
NoSlack
In my hometown, there is a lot (a LOT) of BS far left nonsense, but I've never heard of anyone doing anything as low down and unamerican as torching flags on vets' graves. I'd think thats almost equatable to grave robbing or abuse of a corpse or whatever the particular legal definitition is for defiling the remains of the dead. Absolutely disgusting behavior.
In regard to the people slamming the kid who bagged the monster pig-thank God we have the internet, it lets every dumbass out there air their dirty laundry. At least we now know that there are people stupid and petty enough to be personally offended by someone shooting a giant pig. I say way to go kid, you'll never have to buy bacon again.
The Reaper
05-30-2007, 12:02
What is up with you hammering this Nazi agenda?
Are you trolling and looking for trouble?
TR
Again, Nazism is far right.
And your point is? The far left wacko/vandals are calling the HEROES Nazi's. We get it. We've gotten it. It wouldn't be the first time the military has been equated with the facists because they're "law and order" types, hawks, etc.
I don't think anyone thinks these were neo-Nazi's out recruiting. They are a bunch of leftist miscreants who believe that freedom doesn't have a price tag. Unfortunately it is a big price tag. Fortunately many men and women are willing to step up and pay it, even for the idiots.
We're not talking about anybody labeling any military personnel as Nazis. We're talking about where Nazism is on the political spectrum.
Right, you were talking about it. It came out of nowhere. No one called Nazism a leftist movement. You just kept correcting us.
82ndtrooper
05-30-2007, 12:51
Not at all, sir. There are people here mislabeling the Nazi ideology (intentionally or unintentionally) in a way that puts blame on people that shouldn't be shouldering that blame. It's misleading and will lead to a more misinformed community.
I think you'll find that the majority of the forum are "well informed" We get it, Nazi ideology was and is far right wing. I(we) did read our history books.
Thanks for giving me a heads up on the Nazi ideology. :rolleyes:
I think you're missing what most of the folks here are seeing.
Someone who shouts "Nigger" at a group of black people, probably isn't black.
Someone who writes "kike" on a synagogue probably isn't Jewish.
Someone who paints a swastika on the grave of a soldier probably isn't a nazi.
The people who did this put swastikas in place of the flags. This means that they are Nazis and far right wingers. Let's see what people have said so far.
I rest my case.
Seriously? I just went through this...
They (the leftists) replaced the American flags with swastikas because they were calling the veterans (the right/military - as the case may be since we don't know their political affiliation) NAZIS. Again, no one was saying that the lefties doing this were Nazis.
As per the quote you quoted:
"the socialist, communist leftists are nothing more than cowards"
We were calling them SOCIALIST, COMMUNIST LEFTISTS.
Me thinks you ought to digest what you are reading before you spout off. You've clearly gotten something into your head.
ETA: Thanks Plato - that hopefully will make the point better than I was although I was hoping the - "This wasn't a recruiting drive" comment might have done the trick...
The Reaper
05-30-2007, 13:09
The people who did this put swastikas in place of the flags. This means that they are Nazis and far right wingers. Let's see what people have said so far.
I rest my case.
Unless they have already arrested suspects, investigated their affiliation, tried, and convicted them, you don't really know if they are Nazis or not, now do you?
The left throws the Nazi word around a lot, I have been called a Nazi by leftists myself.
At this point, I would wager that the odds are significantly better that it was leftists making a comment about military personnel than Nazis looking for publicity. That cause would seem to me to be better served by doing it openly for the publicity.
Since I have had a Poly Sci degree since before you were born, and a Masters since you were in elementary school, I think that I, and almost everyone else here understand where on the political spectrum National Socialism falls.
You are not the first to post here who was long on education, and short on experience. Please do not agitate and try to divert the thread from the topic at hand.
TR
In your first two examples you had people using the symbols in a derogatory manner. In the third, it is putting their symbol in triumph. They aren't comparable at all.
Alright. ;)
I'm an easy-goin old fart.
I don't see an element of triumph in putting a swastika on a headstone. I sorta see "desecration" and "defacing" in a negative and derogatory light.
I mean.... heck, a kick in the n**s with a pair of corcorans doesn't mean that I'm really really anxious to show off my boots. :p
x SF med
05-30-2007, 14:00
In your first two examples you had people using the symbols in a derogatory manner. In the third, it is putting their symbol in triumph. They aren't comparable at all.
Ok, you are trying to sharpshoot and/or rile the QPs here because....? My guess, you are a 20 y/o PoliSci major trying out his/her PS201 knowledge, and seeing how far you will be able to push a fairly conservative group of individuals before being banned. I would guess you are also a democrat and think the rest of the world will play fair with your feelings. Well youngster, you might just have bitten off a bit more than you can chew here, I have some requests for you:
1. Justify your theses with facts rather than conjecture and rhetoric.
2. Realize that the people you are trying to bait have been at the cutting edge of foreign policy under both Democratic and Republican administrations in order to allow you the freedom to speak your mind, in their house.
3. think a bit about the educational backgrounds of the QPs, you might be surprised how well read we really are.
4. understand that some of us were doing this before you were in diapers, and actually might have faced communist or communist trained troops, and actually studied their political and economic policies so that we understood our then and still enemy.
5. STFU and read a little more to understand the social structure here at PS.com, you might stretch your mind a little and realize there are things to be learned here.
6. tone down the argumentative tone of your posting and you might get less vitriolic responses to them.
My speculations re: your age, education and political leanings in my preface are tendered from reading your profile, intro and posts. These are my conjectures and suggestions only, read the fine print, YMMV.
Monsoon65
05-30-2007, 14:15
When someone calls me a Nazi, I always remember a quote from P. J. O'Rourke:
"Say what you want about the Nazis, no woman has ever had a fantasy about being tied up and ravished by a man dressed as a liberal."
We're not talking about anybody labeling any military personnel as Nazis. We're talking about where Nazism is on the political spectrum.
Yes we are talking about that. This is a Military Forum. It's all about desecrating Soldiers Graves. You decided to come in here and educate us about political beliefs over sixty years old. Piss poor performance so far. It's not about political parties in Germany fifty years ago. The far left has desecrated graves and funerals before. Common sense would tell you to make the same comparison in this incident. Something you cant get from an education. Is that a good enough case for you, heres more.
Using more common sense and not something you read or saw on the History Channel. Would tell you this was done to desecrate Soldiers and protest the War. Heres a clue for you, it was done on Memorial Day Weekend.
That my friend is far left wing USA, in the year 2007. Far left wingers have compared our Soldiers to Nazis before. Marking their graves with Swastikas is no different. Actually if true Nazis did this. What are they trying to say? Enlighten us without the comparison to a party of the same name in Germany fifty years ago. Not even close
We watch the History channel too. They are not far Right concerning Modern US Politics. They are off the Map. There are a few far Right people on this Board. I don't think comparing their modern political beliefs to Fifty year old Nazi beliefs is a smart thing to do.
.... I failed to mention, in my posts, how I was interpreting the crimes. Also, I am a registered Republican and am a conservative. Also, I do not understand where you are going with #4....
You, Sir, when you find yourself in a hole stop digging. I went back and did a slow read through this thread. I would have to place you right up there between Morocco and Moroni.
Pete
By the way, John McCain is a Republican - and your point with that was.
The Reaper
05-30-2007, 15:13
Maybe they are trying to show their belief that the Nazi party is superior to the United States. Maybe they are upset that the military defends all citizens of this country, no matter what race so they hate the people who defend it. A bit like phelps.
That is a far stretch, and I would lay long odds against it.
Do you refuse to acknowledge that the liberals hate the US military far more than the current skinheads, Nazis, or Aryans?
Their actions sure show that to me. I see a lot more anti-military hate coming from the Daily Kos, Moveon, and the like than any Nazi websites. I do not think the Nazis have a problem with us fighting terrorists.
Your intransigence is showing your lack of real world experience and knowledge, as well as your refusal to acknowledge that you are in a philosophical hole, and continuing to dig.
TR
You, Sir, when you find yourself in a hole stop digging. I went back and did a slow read through this thread. I would have to place you right up there between Morocco and Moroni.
Pete
But Pete,
It looks as if Nypol, is having so much fun..........:D
When a Soldier is accused of a crime in Iraq you would say that we should wait until the facts are out before talking. Why should this be any different?
I don't refuse to acknowledge it. But it's not impossible for a Nazi to hate the military.
As a non-QP guest to the forum, it isn't for me to say when someone's time is up. However, Nypol, you may want to check out the "Your Rucksack is in the Hall" thread, as you may be headed that way if you don't curb the attitude and frequency of posting...
:munchin
blue02hd
05-30-2007, 15:52
As a non-QP guest to the forum, it isn't for me to say when someone's time is up. However, Nypol, you may want to check out the "Your Rucksack is in the Hall" thread, as you may be headed that way if you don't curb the attitude and frequency of posting...
:munchin
Oh contrare bonjour, let Nypol have some more rope. I myself, am really interested if he can finish on his feet, and then let us all know who actually killed Kennedy!
Higher education rocks!
Sorry TR if this post is off subject. I'll hop back into my hidesite now.
x SF med
05-30-2007, 16:05
Also, I do not understand where you are going with #4. I am talking about Nazis and fascists, not communists. Either way, this argument was all b/c of my failure to communicate how I was interpreting the criminal group's actions.
Then you have no understanding of disinformation, or leading the back path. Both of these techniques were used very well by the Nazis, Fascists and Communists during their respective rises to power. In many cases in order to raise political and social ire and to bolster their causes, any of these groups would create a sense of havoc or terror in the guise of the 'enemy' - thus it leads by historical example that this criminal groups intent is to raise claim that the 'offenders' are of the ilk so ascribed by the criminal group. Ergo, if the swastika is hateful to this criminal group, then this criminal group is not Nazi, rather leftist (read communist/socialist/democrat) hoping to discredit those they have desecrated, not call to honor the symbol they chose to plant. Am I moving to fast for you here? This is basic political science and pot stirring. Therefore in the case presented had it been perpetrated by Nazis we would expect either the Star of David, the Hammer and Sickle, or the Moon and Star - one desecrates with what one wants to discredit - or defaces a symbol of that hatred with his own symbol. since the flags were burned, then replaced with swastikas, it leads away from naziism, wouldn't you agree?
I hope this little rant cleared up why I used communism rather than naziism in my previous statement #4.
I see the horse is dead. That poor last hoof is flapping and everybody is trying to shoot the shoe off.
Pete
Just sitting here shaking my head.
x SF med
05-30-2007, 16:21
So you think that it was a left wing group with the goal of discrediting Nazism?
In that statement it appeared, to me at least, that you were trying to say that you have more experience dealing with the ideology in question. Saying that it could have been lefties trying to discredit fascists doesn't tie in.
Ok - you need some real world experience and a few Liberal Arts courses like philosophy - quit thinking linearly, learn how to join thoughts of equal importance yet slightly different wavelengths into a more fully formed whole. read some Hegel - especially the thesis, antithesis, synthesis portions of his work. not everything will be spelled out and handfed to you, learn to think, not spout off by rote what others say. THINK, PONDER, see how a series of seemingly disparate parts lead to a cohesive whole....
surface messages are not always the full answer, ok?
TR I give up - can you please try to explain what I tried to point out? I may have used words that were too big for the pseudointellectual nypol.
Even better, can we just feed him to NDD?
can't...take...the...pain...
I'm pretty sure that the training and experience you have as QP's lends you to have more patience with the slow folk than us regular civilians because I'm ready to burst. My 2 year old catches on quicker.
x SF med
05-30-2007, 16:24
Pete,
Was I fairly clear? Should I have just pointed him toward Mao, Lenin, Marx and Stalin for the vagaries of disinformation and use of terrorism?
x SF med
05-30-2007, 16:28
can't...take...the...pain...
I'm pretty sure that the training and experience you have as QP's lends you to have more patience with the slow folk than us regular civilians because I'm ready to burst. My 2 year old catches on quicker.
He's a modren collidge stoodint, he won't git this here eddicatin till he gits at gradumite skul. It ain't be on a standirt test with multeepull choices and a hole year of bein handed the ansirs.
x SF med
05-30-2007, 16:31
What makes you think that this has anything to do with disinformation?
Please! Can't we feed him to NDD?
I'm not in college.
A High Schooler that KNOWS everything.......WE'VE BEEN SAVED !!!!!
We should've known that going in, especially with your spelling and such (re: your profile's occupation). ;) :D
He's a modren collidge stoodint, he won't git this here eddicatin till he gits at gradumite skul. It ain't be on a standirt test with multeepull choices and a hole year of bein handed the ansirs.
Nah, been through graduate school - the profs there could actually be worse since they are engaged in their own liberal shill. They feed into the delusion that the student is the smartest person on the planet and no one else has EVER come up with a good idea and we're all waiting for them to get out of school and save the world by using their prof's ideas.
It takes working for someone who is much smarter and more experienced for a few years, who isn't afraid to tell you that you are being stupid and allows you to trip all over yourself before things sink in.
Good parents who tell you that you're not that smart help too. ;)
ETA - HIGH SCHOOL? I was the smartest person alive in high school. Luckily I didn't come and announce it to a bunch of career professionals who have lived and breathed this since before I was born... whoops.
So you think that it was a left wing group with the goal of discrediting Nazism?
In that statement it appeared, to me at least, that you were trying to say that you have more experience dealing with the ideology in question. Saying that it could have been lefties trying to discredit fascists doesn't tie in.
Answering a question with a question. I heard this explained before "It's just the nerves making his legs quiver like that" he's gone.
Find one spelling error. And I'll be starting NROTC at PSU next year.
From your profile, all-star:
Occupation:
studet, athlete
The Hallway is too good for your rucksack. I have a feeling that your rucksack will be found near your head somewhere in the recesses of your fourth point of contact when TS, TR, AM, or NDD stop by....
Find one spelling error. And I'll be starting NROTC at PSU next year.
Here ya go STUD....
Taken from YOUR profile. No changes were made.....
Occupation:
studet, athlete
Just what is a Studet any way ???
Inquiring minds want to know.
From your profile, all-star:
Occupation:
studet, athlete
The Hallway is too good for your rucksack. I have a feeling that your rucksack will be found near your head somewhere in the recesses of your fourth point of contact when TS, TR, AM, or NDD stop by....
In keeping with this thread.....
RTK....I hate you. :D ;)
BTW....our young stud has "fixed" his profile.
So one error out of a few hundred words means that I don't know anything?
Yep.
You don't know when to STFU and Read More And Post Less.
:munchin
Pete,
Was I fairly clear? Should I have just pointed him toward Mao, Lenin, Marx and Stalin for the vagaries of disinformation and use of terrorism?
You were very clear as was all but one who is posting here.
I'm telling you - he's right in the middle between Morocco and Moroni.
Pete
The lad has issues and needs some professional help.
ETA: Thanks Plato - that hopefully will make the point better than I was although I was hoping the - "This wasn't a recruiting drive" comment might have done the trick...
Thank *you*, gracious lady. However, you were crystal clear.
I *do* lean toward short simple sentences more and more each year.
Of course, I'll also forget that I said that by tomorrow :)
I see the horse is dead. That poor last hoof is flapping and everybody is trying to shoot the shoe off.
Pete
Just sitting here shaking my head.
Well, I *still* maintain that I am an agreeable old coot.
However........
I don't think the *whole* horse is dead.
And, I don't believe it's the hoof that's still flapping.:rolleyes:
YMMV :)
Back on topic. There are three theories going around as to who committed the crimes from the OP. That the flags were planted by left wingers to show that people in the military are Nazis, that Nazis put their flags in place of the American flag to show it's superiority, and that a left wing group did it to give the impression that option number 2 happened. All of them are possible(with number 1 being probable). However, none of us know for sure and just like if there was an ongoing investigation into the conduct of a Soldier, we should save our opinions and let the police figure this one out before we start talking.
Saying something twice doesn't make it correct or truthful. Nor does it make the QPs very happy. I suggest you stop posting now. I know what you're saying. They know what you're saying, but you're not hearing (reading) what they're saying. You're not listening, you're waiting to speak, and that's the wrong answer.
Going back to my LP/OP....
blue02hd
05-30-2007, 17:12
<hears a faint whistle, and it keeps getting louder>
<Reaches for his kevlar>
<hears a faint whistle, and it keeps getting louder>
<Reaches for his kevlar>
<Said the FDC to the observer>
Splash, Over.....
Trip_Wire (RIP)
05-30-2007, 17:28
Yep.
You don't know when to STFU and Read More And Post Less.
:munchin
Why don't you quit this BS while your ahead Kid! :mad:
The Reaper
05-30-2007, 18:02
Sean:
I am tired of bandying words with a 15 year old who is ignoring a very likely possibility to argue a misguided 1% theory against people with more time under a parachute than you have out of diapers. Not sure how you can be a Republican when you are too young to register.
I suppose that it is also possible the the local VFW got drunked up and decided to desecrate their own comrades' graves as well, but I doubt it. You probably enjoy sneaking into Michael Moore and Oliver Stone movies, too.
Frankly, I am guilty of having let you run your mouth and waste too much time of the QPs and guests here. Arguing your point effectively with factual support is one thing. Being obnoxious about it while pursuing a highly unlikely conspiracy is another.
If you do not learn some respect for your elders and betters in school, the real world will likely beat it into you soon enough.
I suspect that you can find more support at moveon.org.
Have a very SF day somewhere else.
TR
blue02hd
05-30-2007, 18:35
TY TR. Oh, and btw,,,,,,what does "ad hominem" mean??
The Reaper
05-30-2007, 19:28
TY TR. Oh, and btw,,,,,,what does "ad hominem" mean??
It refers to personal attacks and name calling, rather than a factual refutation of the facts and I didn't see any.
TR
x SF med
05-30-2007, 20:21
I'm not in college.
Even sarcasm is lost on this tent pole.
Allah be Praised! The Americans are preparing their children for us to re-educate!