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Team Sergeant
05-07-2007, 09:39
islam at it's finest!!!
Another shining example of a peaceful and beautiful "religion".
muslim backlash? Sorry not today.......
Let's just continue tolerating this charming "religion".
TS
Hamas Uses Mickey Mouse Look-Alike to Teach Terror to Kids on TV
Monday, May 07, 2007
Palestinian Media Watch
April 2007: Farfur, a Mickey Mouse look-alike on Hamas TV, teaches kids terror.
He looks like Mickey Mouse and sounds like Mickey Mouse, but what he's saying is hardly the fairytale stuff of Disney.
A Mickey Mouse look-alike named Farfur is teaching Palestinian children the ABCs of terror on Hamas' official television station, Al-Aqsa TV.
On the weekly program "Tomorrow's Pioneers," Farfur and a young girl name Saraa' tell children to pray five times each day and drink their milk, while urging the children to "resist" the "oppressive invading Zionist occupation."
“Instead of being entertained, they’re being indoctrinated,” Itamar Marcus, the director of Palestinian Media Watch, told FOX News.
Marcus says that "resist" is a Palestinian euphemism for terror.
"Their message is of hatred toward Jews, hatred toward Israel, hatred to America as well," Marcus said. "They make fun of Condoleezza Rice, they make fun of Bush."
Excerpts from episodes that aired last month show the squeaky voiced mouse egging on children with nationalistic fervor.
"We, tomorrow’s pioneers, will restore to this nation its glory, and we will liberate Al-Aqsa, with Allah’s will, and we will liberate Iraq, with Allah’s will, and we will liberate the Muslim countries, invaded by murderers,” Farfur says in one episode that aired in April.
The message seems to be working. Poems and songs submitted by young viewers contain violent imagery. "Rafah sings ‘Oh, oh,’" one caller says as Farfur mimes carrying a rifle. "Its answer is an AK-47."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,270457,00.html
Holy cow, watch the video FOXNEWs has a link to in their report. That is some scary sick stuff.
D
Unbelievable. :mad:
No scratch that....It is believable, from these sick, twisted people.
I wonder why the UN isn't saying anything about this. They're supposed to be all about peaceful intentions and all that. :rolleyes:
If it were any other faith or religion, Catholic, Christian or Hebrew delivering even the smallest derogatory comment against Muslims, the reaction would be swift, loud and violent.
Another shining example of a peaceful and beautiful "religion".
muslim backlash? Sorry not today.......
Let's just continue tolerating this charming "religion".
Just finished Infidel by Ayaan Hirsi Ali. She was involved in the documentary which led to the Dutch film maker being killed on the streets in Holland by a radical Islamic crazy. One of the focus points of the book is the constant state of frustration felt by the author due to the propensity of folks in the West to dwell in a state of naiveté regarding the Muslim religion. The ongoing and steadfast determination of viewing Islam as a peaceful happy religion regardless of the world wide reality showing that it is not.
One of the things she instituted when she became a member of Dutch parliament was to require the government to tract the honor killings of Muslim girls by the their fathers or brothers. The Dutch government agreed to track track things on a pilot program, meaning they would keep statistics in only two out of the twenty-five police regions. Most politicians thought it was a waste of time as these honor killings could not be a serious situation.
Turns out between Oct ’04 and May ’05 there were eleven of these killings in just two police regions. The people in Holland were shocked, appalled, etc.
It appears to me, the West in general is still out to lunch and out of touch with what is really happening and the real truth about Islam. Additionally, if any description could be misapplied it is "honor" killings.
Muslim bashing? I think not.
islam at it's finest!!!
Another shining example of a peaceful and beautiful "religion".
muslim backlash? Sorry not today.......
Let's just continue tolerating this charming "religion".
TS
Sir,
Yet another reason why QP's are so vital to fight against this "new" type of terror.
I hope that those children become aquainted with something more positive that a gun toting Micky wannabe.:(
my .02 Holly
If it were any other faith or religion, Catholic, Christian or Hebrew delivering even the smallest derogatory comment against Muslims, the reaction would be swift, loud and violent.
Agreed!
Thats some twisted f&#^ed shit!
B.
Agreed!
Thats some twisted f&#^ed shit!
B.
Bleach...if we're really quick about this, we can avoid "them" comming...
Just one PS.com guest trying to help another...be real quiet and goto the Intro thread. Trust me on this. ;)
Ret10Echo
05-07-2007, 15:07
I watched this program on PBS "America at a Crossroads" The segment I watched was titled "Religion without Fear". Irshad Manji is a woman that speaks out against radical islam. From the weblink:
"Trekking through the Arabian peninsula, Manji speaks with Osama bin Laden’s former bodyguard, who explains why he’s willing to turn his young son into a martyr."
If you could have seen the smile that came across this guys face when she asked if he wanted his son to be a martyr.....absolutely beyond the comprehension of the developed world to comprehend.
I tried to fit the reaction he had, the smile on his face, the light in his eyes.....Glee came to mind...
I believe his son was about 7 years old.
Ambush Master
05-07-2007, 16:19
I believe that the "Peaceful Muslims" are the "Radical Minority", not the other way around!!!
Ret10Echo
05-07-2007, 17:44
I believe that the "Peaceful Muslims" are the "Radical Minority", not the other way around!!!
Concur...I think most are muslim by geography not by conviction. They regurgitate the same rhetoric that they hear day after day.....Hey that sounds familiar
Peaceful and religion just don't belong in the same word grouping with islam.
incommin
05-07-2007, 18:03
Religion? I thought Islam was a cult gone wild!
Jim
5POINT56
05-16-2007, 11:06
Concur...I think most are muslim by geography not by conviction. They regurgitate the same rhetoric that they hear day after day.....Hey that sounds familiar
Frankly ALL religion is largely determined by geopolitical boundary.....rather than by way of objective choices.
What strikes me as uniquely troublesome in regards to islam is this.
Though the extremist minority is most likely to take up arms/bombs and go ape-shit in the name of allah, the majority of those who do not, actually support the cause, verbally or silently....on some level. And even if this level of acceptance is slight...it's a FAR cry from meaningful condemnation.
There is nowhere near the "appropriate" outrage in islamic countries considering what these extremist groups are responsible for. And when I say "appropriate" I mean ANY meaningful outrage at all. No lip service from the PR heads, not the occasional "Gee, that was awful." I mean outrage with teeth....of any kind. In light of this, future generations will find no shortage of highly willing and motivated jihadists. Their hero's are not guys who score 50 points a night for the Lakers. They are not billionaire blonds who like to drink and drive. Their hero's are "martyrs" who's status as such is ONLY achieved through violent jihad.
How would the culture of white America address a huge upswing in violent KKK activity? Would American whites fall silent all of a sudden? Would the bodies of lynched blacks dangle unchallenged from trees in our city parks (Crips/Bloods & thugs aside)? Would nobody step up and confront it? I don't think so. Why? Because we generally and collectively do NOT agree with that. It would be addressed and it would be stopped.
Silence = acceptance....or at very least acceptance through fear. The islamic culture enables the violent among them...the extreme among them by not challenging it in any meaningful way. And when your version of "news" comes from a sole source, who happens to be a fire breathing, infidel hating mullah ranting daily about our evil empire, it's no wonder why so many see virtue in "the cause" of extremist islam....especially considering the alternatives available to them....which aren't much.
Extremist islam is literally sanctioned through both action and inaction in the muslim world.
If you guys haven't seen the movie " Obsession: Radical Islams War Against The West"...I highly recommend it. It should be required viewing for EVERYONE living under the shadow of extreme islam....and that would be most of the planet at this point.
http://www.obsessionthemovie.com/
The Reaper
05-16-2007, 11:42
I learned everything I needed to know about the Arab street in their celebrations after 9/11.
Somehow, any group of people who rejoice in the deaths of 3,000 innocent civilians strike me as incorrigible and unrepentent.
TR
Ret10Echo
05-23-2007, 11:50
UK Lesson Plan Concerns Muslim Educators
By RAPHAEL G. SATTER
Associated Press Writer
LONDON (AP) -- Britain is funding a curriculum aimed at teaching children in Muslim religious schools how to steer clear of extremism, but some of the lessons are worrying Muslim educators.
One lesson plan goes something like this: A group of Islamic extremists want to buy fertilizer that could be used to make a bomb. Should the shop keeper sell it to them? Or take Ahmad, whose friends want to attack a local supermarket in retaliation for the war in Iraq. Is it right for Ahmad to harm innocent Britons because their government invaded a Muslim country?
Team Sergeant
05-23-2007, 12:00
I thought this was pure BS until I started searching and found multiple sources with the same article.....
Teaching the young muslims to be future terrorists such an admirable cause!
TS
Government-backed program to teach British citizenship lessons in Muslim religious school
Wednesday, May 23, 2007
By RAPHAEL G. SATTER
Associated Press Writer
LONDON (AP) Britain is funding a curriculum aimed at teaching children in Muslim religious schools how to steer clear of extremism, but some of the lessons are worrying Muslim educators.
One lesson plan goes something like this: A group of Islamic extremists want to buy fertilizer that could be used to make a bomb. Should the shop keeper sell it to them? Or take Ahmad, whose friends want to attack a local supermarket in retaliation for the war in Iraq. Is it right for Ahmad to harm innocent Britons because their government invaded a Muslim country?
The curriculum's answer in both cases is no, but the fact that these scenarios are being considered at all has prompted concern among Muslim teachers, who question whether they are appropriate for young students.
Some also feel insulted that the program appears to make the assumption that the religious schools or, madrassas are teeming with budding terrorists.
``In an educational setting, those propositions are a bit stark,'' said Tahir Alam, chair of the Muslim Council of Britain's education committee.
The British government acknowledged that the curriculum raised sensitive issues, but said they were needed to give Muslims the practical skills they needed to reject extremism.
``The project ensures that young Muslim students learn the true teachings of Islam,'' said a spokeswoman for the Department of Communities and Local Government, speaking on condition of anonymity in line with government policy.
``There will be difficult issues and scenarios to discuss but it would be wrong to shy away from them,'' she said.
Ten Muslim clerics have been teaching the lessons in six madrassas and a school in Bradford a religiously diverse city about 200 miles north of London. About 500 students have already completed the course, versions of which the communities department hopes to roll out nationally to some of Britain's 100,000 madrassa students.
The project, called ``Nasiha,'' or ``guidance,'' draws on the Quran, Shariah law, and traditional Muslim scholarship to show that British laws are in harmony with Islamic values. Its lessons will be taught in madrassas, which in Britain are usually unregulated after-school programs based in mosques or private homes.
The stated objective is to teach children, most between the ages of eight and 14, ``to realize that to harm or terrorize citizens in the UK is not something permitted in Islam,'' and ``to be able to identify individuals or groups who preach hatred and learn ways of avoiding them.''
While some of the lessons cover day-to-day situations such as bullying or good manners, others are explicitly aimed at defusing Muslims anger over the war in Iraq.
Teachers are asked to remind their students that some of their schoolmates may be in the military, and that as citizens ``they should take an active role for their safe return in what many may consider an unjust war.''
A homework assignment asks students to list ``some of the peaceful things you can do to show you are not happy about your country going to war.''
One counterterrorism expert had mixed feelings about the project.
``One lesson from school is not going to change fundamental attitudes,'' said Peter Neumann, the director of the Center for Defense Studies at King's College, London. But as part of a broader strategy, he said, the lessons could play a valuable role in getting Muslims to place more trust in the British authorities.
``Whether (or not) that's the right way of approaching kids, in principle it's not a bad idea to say: 'Actually, you can trust the authorities. If there is someone talking about jihad, then police is the place you should go to.'''
Sajid Hussain, the program's project manager, said the lessons needed to be taught.
``They were issues young people definitely needed some direction on: For example, whether young Muslims have a responsibility to prevent harm in society when they know that older Muslims may plan something,'' he said.
The curriculum, which is due to be published as a book in December, was still open to amendments, he said, acknowledging that some of the examples like the fertilizer bomb were a little too explicit.
``Originally we thought it would be best to start looking at these issues a little bit head-on,'' he said, ``but we're dealing with the issues a little more tactfully.''
The Nasiha curriculum has received about $198,000 in government money as part of a larger program intended to fight extremism in the Muslim community.
Outside of the East London Mosque, one of the city's largest, opinion was broadly favorable to the idea of lessons to counter extremism.
``The terrorists try to brainwash the young because they are vulnerable,'' said Asef Zia, 45. whose son, Muhammad, clutched at his shirt.
``Muslims are good people,'' said Muhammad, 12. ``But some bad people say they are Muslims and act wrong and we can teach them.''
http://www.kcbs.com/topic/ap_news.php?story=AP/APTV/National/a/i/TeachingAgainstTerror
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/05/22/europe/EU-GEN-Britain-Teaching-Against-Terror.php
x SF med
05-23-2007, 12:42
Ok, next stop for this bus will probably be the San Francisco School system... a sad, sad thought. I'm all for teaching comparative religions, not preaching, teaching the major tenents of them, so that kids are informed - but this is just going too far. Maybe the Irish Catholic Schools can teach a history of the Reformation to try to scale back the 400 year old 'civil'(?) war; and the Protestant schools can teach a History of Catholicism to try from their side?
Bureaucrats, Psychologists, Lawyers and do-gooders are going to completely ruin the world (no offense to the esteemed counsel who are members of this board) by trying to make everything a level playing field.
just my .02, YMMV
Ret10Echo
05-23-2007, 12:54
Another angle on the story
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/6665317.stm
Imams to give citizenship lessons
Thousands of Muslim children attend madrasas after school
Mosques are being urged to provide citizenship lessons for the thousands of youngsters they see daily.
About 100,000 UK youngsters attend Islamic religious schools attached to mosques - madrasas - every day.
A new curriculum aims to tackle extremism and counter messages about perceived clashes between Islam and British culture.
It was drawn up by a group of mosques in Bradford and is being backed by the Communities Secretary Ruth Kelly.
LibraryLady
05-23-2007, 12:59
Do we know where tomorrow's suicide bombers will come from? Here in the US?
Picked this link up from another site; the Jerusaleum Post (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?c=JPArticle&cid=1178708663403&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull), and I see it's getting picked up elsewhere by MSM. Here's the complete report (http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=329) from the Pew Research Center, published just yesterday.
LL