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Leozinho
04-06-2007, 17:04
From the front page of the NY Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/06/world/asia/06afghan.html?pagewanted=all

This link will die in a few weeks, so I've copied the article below.


Dutch Soldiers Stress Restraint in Afghanistan

By C. J. CHIVERS
Published: April 6, 2007


QALA-E-SURKH, Afghanistan — The Dutch infantrymen stood on a ridge near the Baluchi Valley, an area in south-central Afghanistan controlled by the Taliban and tribes opposed to the central government.

Whenever they push farther, the soldiers said, they swiftly come under fire from rifles and rocket-propelled grenades. “The whole valley is pretty much hostile,” said one, a machine gunner.

But rather than advancing for reconnaissance or to attack, the Dutch soldiers pulled back to a safer village. “We’re not here to fight the Taliban,” said the Dutch commander, Col. Hans van Griensven, at a recent staff meeting. “We’re here to make the Taliban irrelevant.”

Thousands of fresh Western troops have flowed into Afghanistan since last year, seeking to counter the resurgent Taliban before an expected spring offensive. Many American units have been conducting sweeps and raids.

But here in Uruzgan Province, where the Taliban operate openly, a Dutch-led task force has mostly shunned combat. Its counterinsurgency tactics emphasize efforts to improve Afghan living conditions and self-governance, rather than hunting the Taliban’s fighters. Bloodshed is out. Reconstruction, mentoring and diplomacy are in. American military officials have expressed unease about the Dutch method, warning that if the Taliban are not kept under military pressure in Uruzgan, they will use the province as a haven and project their insurgency into neighboring provinces.

The Dutch counter that construction projects and consistent political and social support will lure the population from the Taliban, allowing the central and provincial governments to expand their authority over the long term.

Insurgency and counterinsurgency tactics have long been subjects of intensive tinkering and debate, as military and police forces from different nations, and even different units within nations, have chosen conflicting approaches.

The Dutch-led force of about 2,000 soldiers has adopted what counterinsurgency theorists call the “oil spot” approach. Under this tactic, it concentrates efforts in less hostile areas, especially a basin around Tarin Kowt, the provincial capital, which overlaps an economic development zone designated by Hamid Karzai, the Afghan president.

The central idea is that if foreign military forces show restraint and respect, and help the local government to govern, then these areas will expand, slowly but persistently, like an oil stain across a shirt. As they grow, the theory says, the Taliban’s standing will decline.

To date, the Dutch, aided by American soldiers and contractors who train Afghan police officers and soldiers, have helped Afghan units to coordinate security and build police posts. Simultaneously, they have sent teams of specialists and Australian engineers to choose development projects and plan them with village leaders. They have built or repaired schools, mosques, police garrisons, courtrooms and a hospital inside the more secure areas. A bridge and a police training center are under construction or in design. They also have opened a trade school that teaches Afghan laborers basic job skills, including carpentry and generator repair.

To encourage expansion of the government’s influence, the Dutch infantry conducts patrols around the secure zones, and reconstruction teams try to identify future projects and allies who can extend the ring of influence. “Inside the inner ring, we try to do a lot of long-lasting development projects,” said Lt. Col. Gert-Jan Kooij, the task force’s operations officer. “It’s not like it is 100 percent safe there. It never is. But it’s permissive at least. And by showing that we have projects in the permissive areas, we hope the people in other areas will see that it gets better when they work with their government.”

Such counterinsurgency tactics are not new; they are only back in vogue, with a new generation of officers drawing lessons from past military operations in Indonesia, Malaysia, Borneo, Vietnam and elsewhere.

Similar tactics have reappeared in American units in Iraq, as both the Army and the Marine Corps have been rewriting doctrine along the same lines.

But the Dutch have embraced the theory more fully than most, to the point that most Dutch units now take extraordinary steps to avoid military escalation and risks of damage to property or harm to civilians. (When armored vehicles damaged a grove of mulberry trees, a captain came by the next day to negotiate a compensation payment for the farmers.)

When Dutch units patrol, they usually avoid known hostile zones, which include expansive patches of Uruzgan Province. When a Dutch unit is attacked, it typically withdraws from enemy range. In areas where the Taliban are less prevalent, soldiers do not wear helmets, which the Dutch say makes them more approachable.

Dutch commanders say they also draw from their army’s experiences in southern Iraq from 2003 through 2005, where similar tactics were used. They say their units had better relations with Iraqis, and faced less fighting, than did American units. Civilian deaths and property damage caused by American tactics in Iraq and Afghanistan, they said, have hardened villagers’ attitudes, which helps the insurgents with recruiting, intelligence and protection.

Dutch officers also say the approach has yielded promising results here. Sometimes villagers have warned them of ambushes or roadside bombs, and in several villages the Dutch are rarely attacked. Since the task force began operations last August, it has not suffered a combat fatality. Colonel van Griensven also said the task force had developed underground contacts in Taliban-controlled regions.

“If you look at what we have done in eight months, I am optimistic,” he said. “We have a good start with the basics.”

He added that he could deploy his units on sweeps, searches and raids, and chase the Taliban away. But each time after his infantry left an area, he said, the Taliban would simply move back in.

Not everyone is convinced, and some participants openly worry that the formula is out of balance, undermined by too great a reluctance to use force. Large areas of Uruzgan remain Taliban havens. The local government, plagued by corruption, remains so weak that it does not yet have a significant program against soaring poppy production, which helps underwrite the insurgency. One Afghan interpreter who works with the Dutch said their approach was passive.

“The Dutch, if the fight starts, they run inside their vehicles every time,” said the interpreter, who asked that his name be withheld because he risked losing his job. “They say, ‘We came for peace, not to fight.’ And I say, ‘If you don’t fight, you cannot have peace in Afghanistan.’ ”

Uruzgan is also clearly not as safe as casualty statistics suggest. Neither the United Nations nor any foreign aid organizations work here, because they judge the province too dangerous. The insurgents often plant bombs and conduct ambushes, although so far the bombs have not been as powerful as those in Iraq, and Afghan marksmanship has often been poor. In late March a suicide bomber struck an armored vehicle, and this two-day patrol near the Baluchi Valley entrance was warned that two suicide car bombers were stalking them.

The Dutch must move slowly on dirt roads, searching for mines. And a Dutch patrol base in Poentjak, near the Baluchi Valley, is a lonely fortress, often coming under rocket and mortar fire.

One platoon commander, First Lt. Rick, who according to Dutch rules for junior soldiers could be identified only by his rank and first name, noted that anger at foreign troops persisted even in the secure areas. In Tarin Kowt, a city of about 100,000 people, the population in most neighborhoods tolerates Dutch patrols. But on the city’s western side, he said, people throw stones or stare icily, slowly running their fingers across their throats.

For soldiers trained to fight, the soft approach is at times uncomfortable. A noncommissioned officer, Cpl. Niels, recalled the terrorist attacks in America in 2001. “We are soldiers,” he said. “We saw the planes coming in and we wanted to go to Afghanistan and fight. But other people don’t see if that way.”

Pvt. Kai noted that Afghanistan’s Pashtun tribes had resisted outside influence for more than 1,000 years, and said it was unlikely the isolated population of Uruzgan would accept the central government in a time frame anything like what Dutch military planners hope for.

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Leozinho
04-06-2007, 17:05
In some respects, the soldiers said, the Dutch must seek support from two populations: one in Afghanistan, the other back home. The Netherlands is more averse to casualties than the United States, the soldiers said, which influences choices in the field.

Still, of roughly two dozen soldiers and officers interviewed, none felt that avoiding casualties was the driving force behind their tactical choices. And Dutch officers point out that Dutch special forces are operating here, and fight the Taliban directly. In the past week, they said, those forces had at least four engagements, which included airstrikes or artillery support.

Military officers further noted that successful counterinsurgency efforts typically required a decade or more — not months. Colonel van Griensven estimated that the task force’s approach would require at least 10 years. But the Dutch government has thus far committed to a two-year mission, ending in 2008, raising the question of whether their tactics will endure should the Dutch depart or reduce troop levels.

Colonel van Griensven said he understood the arguments over where the balance should lie between fighting and seeking friends. “There is no right answer,” he said.

“The only thing we believe is that using too much fighting is counterproductive. Will we be successful? I cannot tell yet.”

The Reaper
04-06-2007, 17:17
They are wrong, and appear weak to the indig, as well as the Taliban.

And he is wrong about why he is there as well. He isn't there to fight the Taliban, he is there to KILL them.

Winning hearts and minds is just a part of this and I do not believe that he understands the culture.

TR

Peregrino
04-06-2007, 18:00
Nice to see the Dutch are as culturally clueless as our own leadership. If the goal is behavioral modification, the Dutch are not going to get it the way they're going now. Soapbox: Third world peoples see the passive approach as weakness (at best) or cowardice (most probable). Nobody in any "warrior" culture will negotiate with an unworthy adversary (read - coward). To put it simply, what the natives do not fear, they cannot be made to respect. Without respect (fear) there is no incentive to modify their behavior. To borrow from a historical concept - the velvet glove needs an iron fist inside it, otherwise what's the point? My .02 - Peregrino

Razor
04-06-2007, 21:38
IIRC, the Dutch TTP of constantly withdrawing and avoiding a fight worked wonders in Srebrenica too. :rolleyes:

jbour13
04-06-2007, 21:58
The last RC South commander (a Dutchman) was initially uncooperative with my TF while there (AUG06-APR07). He came around after a while after he realized the capabilities that the SF BN on the ground had vs. other conventional and unconventional units.

This is the same commander that was on the ground in Bosnia when a certain fiasco occured (at the time he was an artillery commander).

Dutch SOF were capable and able to fight, the Hague was not willing to unleash that asset to it's fullest and the area of responsibility they shared with us suffered. Fortunately, the ODA's on the ground were capable and conducted both kinetic and non-kinetic operations that had tremendous successes.

Conventional Dutch had issues of people spitting and throwing rocks. That did not happen when our ODA's rolled through (I wonder why ;) )

My S-2 was in the OPCEN when one of the Dutch LNO's commented that it was great that it was a relatively quiet day. My 2 said it wasn't great, much to the suprise of the LNO. LNO asks why, my boss says "quiet means shitheads are preparing something, and we aren't killing them!" The LNO just asked why we always have to kill them, and with a quick reply my 2 responds "if they would just stop attacking us we'd be nicer, simple enough to me" LNO turns and walks away knowing he can't win this one. This conversation occured around the first few days of November, and we (the MID) had lost one of our own to an IED in areas that are patrolled by our troops and theirs.

A little payback was underway.

x-factor
04-08-2007, 10:12
While I agree with you guys in principle (certainly with Reaper's point about them appearing weak...the Afghan interpreter quoted in the article says exactly that), I wonder if you guys aren't being a little too hard on the Dutch colonel.

When he's speaking to the media he's speaking to his own domestic politics. Maybe I'm being too generous but the tone I get from his quotes are more frustration than cluelessness.

The Reaper
04-08-2007, 10:41
While I agree with you guys in principle (certainly with Reaper's point about them appearing weak...the Afghan interpreter quoted in the article says exactly that), I wonder if you guys aren't being a little too hard on the Dutch colonel.

When he's speaking to the media he's speaking to his own domestic politics. Maybe I'm being too generous but the tone I get from his quotes are more frustration than cluelessness.

x-

Welcome aboard.

Have you got a lot of time on the ground running FID or UW missions?

Public comments today are no longer solely for domestic consumption, the enemy has global media outlets for any comments that our own MSM does not pick-up on and dissect publicly. What do you think Al Jazeera spun these comments to mean?

TR

x-factor
04-08-2007, 10:46
Supporting them, yes. Running them, no, not at all. Certainly, I defer to you all's expertise.

I just get the sense that the Dutch colonel had more he might have wanted to do and say than he felt he could tell the reporter...just an instinct about the guy's tone. Like I said, certainly yall know better than I.

EDIT: I just noticed the second part of your question. Let me address it.

You're right about how adversaries (real and potential) will spin it. My point is that I sympathize with the Dutch colonel's position, not that I agree with his statements. Sympathy and a bag of nuts is a lovely snack, not much else...but you've still got to feel for a guy who is an professional soldier serving a nation thats concept of military affairs (and international affairs in general, for that matter) is so fundamentally warped that it cringes with such consistency on every level (tactical up to grand strategic).

John A. Larsen
05-01-2007, 15:30
I do not understand the Dutch position other than they have been givien orders not to take casualities. In any insurgency, whatever good works are done, they are targets for the insurgents. They of course do not want the central government or the allied forces to look good. I read in our local paper letters wondering why in Iraq, Afghanistan schools, hospitals, public works are attacked and destroyed as it makes no sense to them. It makes perfect sense to the insurgents. Wait till the Dutch leave and see how long the good work they did remains intact, and what happens to the people who cooperated with them? We get Canadian TV here and they had a segment on a village near Khandar that they had done Medcaps, got generators, worked on the school and some other projects. The troops conducting active patrolling and engaging the Taliban were withdrawn, and the fate of that village was now in question. The locals in the Dutch AO have got to be smart enough to watch and see that the Dutch will not stand and fight, these are the people you want to throw your alligence in with?