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incommin
04-05-2007, 05:36
Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says
Kate Ravilious
for National Geographic News
February 28, 2007
Simultaneous warming on Earth and Mars suggests that our planet's recent climate changes have a natural—and not a human-induced—cause, according to one scientist's controversial theory.
Earth is currently experiencing rapid warming, which the vast majority of climate scientists says is due to humans pumping huge amounts of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. (Get an overview: "Global Warming Fast Facts".)
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Jim
Them darn martians need to turn in their SUVs and go to Mars friendly "red" vehicles.:D
Pete
The Reaper
04-05-2007, 07:51
Earth is currently experiencing rapid warming, which the vast majority of climate scientists says is due to humans pumping huge amounts of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. (Get an overview: "Global Warming Fast Facts".)
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Jim
I am not buying this as fact.
Scientists agree (generally) that the Earth is warming.
It may be cyclical, it may be solar, etc.
What the majority of scientists do not agree on is the impact of humans and greenhouse gasses in the warming trend.
It would appear that the Mars data suggests a non-human cause.
TR
It would appear that the Mars data suggests a non-human cause.that would be an inconvenient truth for the self-hating tree huggers...
that would be an inconvenient truth for the self-hating tree huggers...
Maybe someone needs to make the Mars warming into a 90 minute Powerpoint Presentation. That way everyone would believe it.
Maybe someone needs to make the Mars warming into a 90 minute Powerpoint Presentation. That way everyone would believe it.
so glad you volunteered....:munchin :D
Kyobanim
04-05-2007, 12:24
Dust storms on Mars are causing the warming there.
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast11oct_2.htm
Shifting dust storms on Mars might be contributing to global warming there that is shrinking the planet's southern polar ice caps, scientists say.
Computer simulations similar to those used to predict weather here on Earth show that the bright, windblown dust and sand particles affects Mars’ albedo—the amount of sunlight reflected from the planet’s surface.
Full Story here (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17952631/)
You can't really compair the 2 since one has life and the other doesn't; . . . or does it? The only way to know for sure what is causing global warming here is to wait and see what happens in the future; when it is too late to do anything about it. Why not err on the side of caution and do what we can to eliminate things we think will have an effect on climate?
Jack Moroney (RIP)
04-05-2007, 14:07
What the majority of scientists do not agree on is the impact of humans and greenhouse gasses in the warming trend.
Well I did my bit today emitting greenhouse gasses from my 15HP John Deere snowblower as I removed another foot of snow from my yard and driveway. And that Folks is the reason why the Easter Bunny in Vermont is not a Bunny at all but a Snowshoe Hare so it can get around during the Easter snowstorms.
Global warming my 4th POC!!!!:D
82ndtrooper
04-05-2007, 15:15
I just belched, I'm guilty :rolleyes:
Why not err on the side of caution and do what we can to eliminate things we think will have an effect on climate?
A few years back I was at a ground water contamination seminar. The whole ordeal was prompted by the superfund legislation which was overseen by the EPA and the regional water board. The engineering firm holding the seminar was trying to sell this expensive remidiation process involving a severe amount of bells and whistles costing lots of dollars.
Towards the end of the program, I ask the Phd. who was giving the lecture about his personal opinion related to the problem. He said he thought mother earth would solve it naturally. The personel from the engineering firm just about s**t a brick when he said that.
Meanwhile the EPA forced a ton of private property owners to drilled numerous wells at $15 - $20 grand each and costing around $800 to $1,000 per month to monitor the water from these wells. Once they got all the private property owners to pay for the research they moved to another region and did the same thing all over again.
Part of the principles inherent in the superfund legislation was that the folks who comtaminate the ground water had to pay for the remediation. I ask them if the folks who are drilling wells etc. are shown to have not been a comtaminator, are there provisions for them to recoup their funds. The EPA guy with the brightly colored shirt and the flowered tie, said no...there's no provision for that. They just forced some of these folks to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars and then went on their merry way.
I guess my problem is that if you turn the colored shirt and flowered tie people loose to solve a theoretic problem, there's no telling what they'll do as they do not care about equity and fair play. If businesses are ruined they could give a damn.
Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says
Kate Ravilious
for National Geographic News
February 28, 2007
Simultaneous warming on Earth and Mars suggests that our planet's recent climate changes have a natural—and not a human-induced—cause, according to one scientist's controversial theory.
Earth is currently experiencing rapid warming, which the vast majority of climate scientists says is due to humans pumping huge amounts of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. (Get an overview: "Global Warming Fast Facts".)
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Jim
....and the protests have already started. :rolleyes:
Them darn martians need to turn in their SUVs and go to Mars friendly "red" vehicles.:D
Pete
But how else are the Martians going to get the whole family down to the store, to pick up the components needed, for their Illudium P-48 Destructive Space Modulator ?
As you can see....there's still plenty of parking, towards the back of the lot.
As you can see....there's still plenty of parking, towards the back of the lot.i see you've been to the Wal-Mart in Fallon NV...
x SF med
04-06-2007, 08:12
SO! algore built a vacation house on Mars, one of the really green ones like he has in TN? Is he going to start writing books on the martian ecology now, with Toffler?
LibraryLady
04-06-2007, 10:26
As for scientists, even if the "vast majority of scientists" agreed global warming was human-induced, that still doesn't mean anything. Consensus means nothing, only facts count. And right now the facts are skewed.
I think you mean the interpretation of the facts is skewed. Fact: Earth is getting warmer. The cause of this has not been determined; there are many factors that could possibly contribute. Determining what is the ultimate cause wastes a lot of time and energy - that could be better put towards developing ways for humanity to adapt, grow and change same as Momma Nature is doing with or without our erstwhile assistance. Nothing anyone can do to change the past, however we can change the future.
Humans can learn to mitigate their affect on Momma Nature, but she ultimately is gonna do her own thing, no matter how many scientists spend how much of my tax dollars to figure what's going on. Drive on, adapt, who knows(?) maybe CA will fall off the mainland, Seattle will experience sunshine on a regular basis and hurricanes will cease to exist!
LL
dr. mabuse
04-06-2007, 11:30
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Team Sergeant
04-06-2007, 11:47
the graphs included indicated that this warming trend happened before man walked the earth and we are due a warming trend about now. :munchin
65 million years ago very large lizards walked the earth, I'm betting it was mighty warm then, much more so than now. How else could the planet support such large reptiles?
Maybe it's taken a while to warm back up to "normal".....
We also have evidence that an ice age may occur about every 10,000 years..... It also may be that this is a pattern and its time to get warm. We bipeds have not collected enough evidence to come to a solid scientific conclusion.
I'm of the opinion it will not be as big a problem as the human population explosion that this planet is about to have........ ;)
dr. mabuse
04-06-2007, 11:55
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The Reaper
04-06-2007, 12:02
I can offer these facts as well.
The climate is never stable for very long. Change is constant.
The Earth is constantly warming or cooling, as a general trend.
The Earth is currently getting warmer.
Warming is better than cooling. Many more areas are lost during glaciation and extreme cold than by ocean rises or extreme heat during warming.
There is limited proof that man may be a factor. Man puts out much less greenhouse gases than nature.
Most "popular" proponents of human causes of global warming each use more energy and create more greenhouse gas emissions as individuals than 10 SUV driving families. I'll give up my SUV if they give up their private jets and fly commercial (first class, of course). Maybe they could learn to live in 3,000 square foot or less houses as well.
The Kyoto Treaty (which failed ratification 98-2 in the US Senate) would put millions of Americans out of work, drive the US economy into the tank, and create tremendous inflation here, while simultaneously doing little to rein in the gross polluters like the Chinese and Indians.
The US is moving away from heavy industry (the primary source of manmade pollution) and to an increasingly green services-based economy.
My personal opinion, based on my research, is that solar activity is currrently the primary cause of global warming.
I think that the US and the Europeans are at the leading edge of pollution control. We should encourage the rest of the world to join us. Maybe we could turn the EPA loose on the rest of the planet.
Manmade global warming has become a cause celebre, and is yet another example of how junk science, with the assistance of the MSM, becomes accepted by the masses as truth.
TR