SFAS Expiration?

[Falshrmjgr]

So, anyone happen to know offhand if I need to go back through SFAS. I was selected SFAS Class 1-93 (18B), but never attended the Q Course. I ended up getting commissioned (Infantry) in 1996 and getting out in 1999 as a 1LT(P). I am thinking about getting back in (enlisted).

(I imagine the issue would be STAR Landnav has been moved to SFAS...)

I posted this here because I was hoping for ground truth from someone in 19th Group.

[The Reaper]

So, anyone happen to know offhand if I need to go back through SFAS. I was selected SFAS Class 1-93 (18B), but never attended the Q Course. I ended up getting commissioned (Infantry) in 1996 and getting out in 1999 as a 1LT(P). I am thinking about getting back in (enlisted).

(I imagine the issue would be STAR Landnav has been moved to SFAS...)

I posted this here because I was hoping for ground truth from someone in 19th Group.

I would say that after 14 years, you will need to go back through again. SFAS is designed to get a snapshot of you and your performance. I am sure that you have changed significantly in 14 years. I know I have.

We were looking at a policy that required attendance within three years, not sure what they finally decided to do, but I would bank on having to go back through, if you can meet the age limit.

TR

[Falshrmjgr]

I was pretty sure of that myself. In fact, it was after I went through SFAS that they removed what I believe was a 2 year limit.

I don't necessarily mind, per se., but the clock is ticking (I'm 37 now) and I have a LOT of work to do to get back in shape.

In fact, I'd almost rather go through the 18X pipeline with the Prep Unit at Bragg. I'm definitely gonna need some time back in the woods. It is pretty amazing how perishable some skills are... I mean I don't even remember what my pace count was, let alone what it is now.

Thanks for the reply.

[x SF med]

You will not be able to do 18X - you are prior service and you will be going in under NG (19th Grp).

[jatx]

Do a search on the Rep. 63 program. The BNs have training dets dedicated to getting guys ready for SFAS, and they have a good track record of success. HTH.

[The Reaper]

I was pretty sure of that myself. In fact, it was after I went through SFAS that they removed what I believe was a 2 year limit.

I don't necessarily mind, per se., but the clock is ticking (I'm 37 now) and I have a LOT of work to do to get back in shape.

In fact, I'd almost rather go through the 18X pipeline with the Prep Unit at Bragg. I'm definitely gonna need some time back in the woods. It is pretty amazing how perishable some skills are... I mean I don't even remember what my pace count was, let alone what it is now.

Thanks for the reply.

Do a search for the consensus here about age and SF.

IMHO, you missed it this time around. SF is a young man's game.

Even if you made it, think of your potential teammates and don't handicap an ODA with an inexperienced old man to drag around. There is no one on this board that I know of who made it into SF at 37 or later.

This topic has been flogged to death here.

TR

[Falshrmjgr]

Well, feedback is good, even if it ain't what you want to hear. So thanks to all who replied. :D

[mffjm8509]

We were looking at a policy that required attendance within three years, not sure what they finally decided to do
TR

New policy is still in the works. I've got a draft copy on my desk that references attendence of SFQC within 36 months of SFAS completion.

mp

[Geraldo18Z]

I just confirmed with the NG Liaison Office at Ft Bragg there is no expiration for SFAS. As long as you have completed SFAS, that prerequisite for the SFQC is met. There is a movement to change this, but as of today as long as you have been selected you are good to go.

[The Reaper]

Enlisted attendance did not count for officer candidates, last I heard.

TR

[Geraldo18Z]

Reaper is correct.
Officers attending SFAS will be placed in a leadership position during a Situational Awareness Reaction Exercise (SARE) and it is a essentially a GO/NO-GO event. Enlisted candidates are not evaluated in the SARE. Therefore, it is unlikely completing SFAS as an enlisted candidate will count for a candidate for the 18A SFQC.

[abc_123]

I have no idea what SARE is, but I would like to think that everybody is being evaluated at all times. ;)

[Geraldo18Z]

As you know first hand abc, you are being evaluated even when you dont think you are. :munchin

[leif]

Not to jump in the conversation with something crazy, but i have been doing PT with some of the guys that were selected from Ft. Hood, Tx. One of the selects is 40 years old. Personally though i agree with the QP that said its a young mans game, but if i was you, and i thought i was up to the challenge, i would go for it.

[longtab]

Hahaha... I used to work at the Fort Hood SFRD office when it was in the theater next to clothing sales. I've never seen guys play so much ultimate football. We did ruck & run the guys alot also. On Thursdays we would meet at 1700 to make sure "no one wanted to quit" (??) and that SFAS dates were still good, blah-blah-blah. Not so much for the PT... we met to begin instilling "the team" mindset on those fellers who still had the "Army of One" mindset.

[Geraldo18Z]

As of 20 June 2007, your SFAS certificate is only good for three years. There are several members of my training team that must now go through SFAS again even though they were selected the first time. :eek:

[steverino1]

UH-OH should have read his post first. Back to Selection for me.

[Geraldo18Z]

The three year SFAS rule has one caveat and you can request a waiver.
If you were selected and attended Phase II within 3 years but were dropped from the course you do not need to go through SFAS again. You will, however need to complete a re-enrollment packet.
You also can submit a waiver request if you are outside the 3 year window. If you are close to 3 years and have extenuating circumstances such as deployments you may be granted a waiver. Waivers are granted on a case by case basis.

[Geraldo18Z]

1. Requests for exception to policy for the SFAS three year rule WILL NOT be entertained by the Commanding General, USAJFKSWCS. Any Soldier that attended SFAS (and was selected) more than three years ago and has not attended the SFQC during that period will have to attend SFAS again in order to attend the SFQC. There are no exceptions.

2. Soldiers that were previously enrolled in the SFQC (but were dropped) are exempt from this rule, but are required to submit a re-enrollment request packet prior to SFQC attendance. If the re-enrollment request is approved, the Soldier is cleared for SFQC attendance.

3. Former enlisted Soldiers that were selected, but received a commission after SFAS do NOT have to attend SFAS again solely because they received a commission. However, once again, if their SFAS date was over three years ago, they must attend SFAS again.

[stinney]

2. Soldiers that were previously enrolled in the SFQC (but were dropped) are exempt from this rule, but are required to submit a re-enrollment request packet prior to SFQC attendance. If the re-enrollment request is approved, the Soldier is cleared for SFQC attendance.


Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the Policy Memo, or in what AR this is listed. I Was Selected in Feb 05 Attended the "Q" in May 05 Med Dropped in Nov 05 After Injuring My back on a Jump.
The Reason I haven’t retuned to finish yet ( if anyone cares) is that, after healing, My Battalion ( NG GROUP) didn’t have the Training $$$ to send me and instead of waiting around for them to get that figured out I had the opportunity and I volunteered to Deploy to OIF , where I had the Privilege of Serving on an ODA for the entire deployment. We Got back over the summer and am Now getting ready to Set things in motion for return to finish, But as I understand it the $$$ is still an issue, The only way that they are getting it done, is to Mobilize
( title 10 orders) students to pay for school, which takes a while and I may not be able to get back to SWC before My 3 year window closes...It may be a non-issue if I can get orders before then but , just in case I would just like to know where I stand in regards to SFAS

Thanks

[Geraldo18Z]

The previous 3 year expiration for SFAS has been changed. You now have 5 years to in-process the SFQC from the date you were selected.

[18B30]

Geraldo, you are a wealth of info. PS, I was 5 for 9 in the Sept. Class.

[wet dog]

...I would like to think that everybody is being evaluated at all times. ;)

All the time and every day.

[18C4V]

All the time and every day.


thats true. Two guys left from my team within the past 6 months. One was a cherry and the other was a experienced SF combat vet.

[WTFOver]

The NG Liason might have the regs, but SWCS will have the final say and they don't always jive. One member of my unit had to go again as he missed the two year cut-off (this was in 2007). I just got out of the Q and as always; everything has changed. Count on going to SFAS regardless of what anyone has told you. I think the waivers are considered if there was a hardship or deployment that kept you from reporting for the Q.

[wtf_over]

Good evening all
I am intrested in any intel on B co in Ohio , are they running selection, does the xray program work under the NG or is it strictly AD Im a prior service Marine got out in 03 and am 31 yrs old I live in Michigan and am looking for some info to enter this SFG as this is the closest to my home

thanks for any details provided

[The Reaper]

Good evening all
I am intrested in any intel on B co in Ohio , are they running selection, does the xray program work under the NG or is it strictly AD Im a prior service Marine got out in 03 and am 31 yrs old I live in Michigan and am looking for some info to enter this SFG as this is the closest to my home

thanks for any details provided

Might want to do some searching and reading here.

TR

[wtf_over]

understood

thanks R