What Sen. John Glenn Said:

[echoes]

I think this has gone around a few times but I think it's quite
note worthy to go around again.
WHAT SENATOR JOHN GLENN SAID

Things that make you think a little:

There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq in January.
In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January.
That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war-torn country of Iraq.

When some claim that President Bush shouldn't have started this war, state the following:

A. FDR led us into World War II.
B. Germany never attacked us ; Japan did.
From 1941-1945, 450,00 0 lives were lost .. an average of 112,500 per year.
C. Truman finished that war and started one in Korea .
North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost ...
an average of 18,334 per year.
D. John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962.
Vietnam never attackd us .
E. Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost ..
an average of 5,800 per year.
F. Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent. Bosnia never attacked us .
He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing.
Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.
G. In the years since terrorists attacked us , President Bush has liberated two countries,
crushed the Taliban, crippled Al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran, and North Korea
without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.

The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking,
but It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound.
That was a 51-day operation.

We've been looking for evidence for chemical weapons In Iraq for less time than it took
Hillary Clinton to find The Rose Law Firm billing records.

It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard
than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.

It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida !!!!

Our Commander-In- Chief is doing a HARD JOB! The Military morale is high!
The biased media hopes we are too ignorant to realize the facts

But Wait there's more!

JOHN GLENN (ON THE SENATE FLOOR)
Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:13

Some people still don't understand why military personnel do what they do for a living.
This exchange between Senators John Glenn and Senator Howard Metzenbaum
is worth reading. Not only is it a pretty impressive impromptu speech, but it's also a good example of one
man's explanation of why men and women in the Armed Services do what they do for a living.
This IS a typical, though sad, example of what some who have never served think of the military.

Senator Metzenbaum (seaking to Senator Glenn):
"How can you run for Senate when you've never held a real job?"

Senator Glenn (D-Ohio):

"I served 23 years in the United States Marine Corps. I served through two wars. I flew 149 missions.
My plane was hit by anti-aircraft fire on 12 different occasions. I was in the space program . It wasn't my
checkbook, Howard; it was my life on the line. It was not a nine-to-five job, where I took time off to take the
daily cash receipts to the bank."
"I ask you to go with me ... as I went the other day... to a veteran's hospital and look those men ...
with their mangled bodies in the eye, and tell THEM they didn't hold a job!"

"You go with me to the Space Program at NASA, and go, as I have gone, to the widows and orphans
Of Ed White, Gus Grissom and Roger Chaffee... and you look those kids in the eye and tell them
that their DADS didn't hold a job."

"You go with me on Memorial Day and you stand in Arlington National Cemetery, where I have more friends
buried than I'd like to remember, and you watch those waving flags.
You stand there, and you think about this nation, and you tell ME that those people didn't have a job?

"What about you?"

For those who don't remember, During WW.II, Howard Metzenbaum
was an attorney Representing the Communist Party in the USA .

Now he's a Senator!

If you can read this, thank a teacher.
If you are reading it in English, thank a Veteran.

[hitman]

Thank you for posting this. A frend of mine sent it to me in an e-mail a few days ago, and I read it everyday. It reminds me that there are still folks out there that still care for the troops.

[82ndtrooper]

Thank you for posting !

More political "Arrows" in my "Soap Box Quiver" :cool:

[The Reaper]

Holly:

C and D are not exactly true.

In C, the US engaged in the air first and then on the sea, so technically, we did get in the first shots against the NKs, but that was quickly under the auspices of a UN command. NK ground forces actually did attack the first contingent of US ground combat forces in Korea under Task Force Smith, or at least, initially moved through the US positions.

As to D, the entire justification for the VN war under Johnson, was an alleged attack on the USS Maddox and USS Turner Joy in the Gulf of Tonkin incident.

Finally, this exchange between Metzenbaum (who I cannot find ever represented the Communist Party USA) and Glenn did not take place in the Senate, but while they were campaigning. Metz commented during the campaign that Glenn had never made a payroll, a few days later, Glenn delivered the speech during a debate with Metzenbaum on 3 May 1974 at the Cleveland City Club.

And John Glenn never said any of the proceeding comments.

Great speech nevertheless, just wanted to correct a few factual errors.

TR

[echoes]

Holly:

And John Glenn never said any of the proceeding comments.

Great speech nevertheless, just wanted to correct a few factual errors.

TR

TR, Sir, as always, You are far wiser than I. I received this from a reliable source, but boy do they have some accounting to do.:lifter

Hope all is well Sir! :o

[hitman]

[/COLOR]Holly:

Great speech nevertheless, just wanted to correct a few factual errors.

TR

NOT my words or opinions just trying to expand on the topic at hand

The letter is in bold face. FDR...led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did. After we declared war on Japan for attacking us, Germany declared war on us- and we had never attacked them. Hitler, by the way, refused to listen to his advisors when they suggested that he remain neutral with the United States.
Truman... started one in Korea, North Korea never attacked us. North Korea attacked the sovereign nation of South Korea; that nation asked for help from the United Nations. The US, as a member nation, engaged in the war- along with a coalition of many other nations under the UN flag.
John F. Kennedy... started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Actually, Eisenhower got us involved in Vietnam after the defeat of the French at Dien Bien Phu. Johnson...turned Vietnam into a quagmire. You are absolutely correct. We paid a dear and heavy price for our participation in that war. Our lesson learned there was one often cited by those opposing the current war as a reason not go to war in the first place.
Clinton...went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never attacked us. France did not want to participate, but NATO did. The Clinton Administration guided the efforts of NATO in the prevention of another holocaust against the several million Muslims living in Kosovo, and ultimately apprehended Slovidan Milosovich, the perpetrator of the genocide. No American or NATO lives were lost in that war.
Clinton was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. The terms of the 'surrender' of Osama were that the warlords offering bin Laden's head would have been recognized at the governing body of Sudan; in hindsight, it may have been a good deal, but hindsight is always 100%. It didn't seem like a good deal at the time.
In the years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has… liberated two countries, this is, at best, questionable by most authorities, crushed the Taliban in and around Kabul, crippled al-Qaida again, this 'fact' is questionable at best when one looks at al Zaquari’s unbridled acts of terror in Iraq and the terrorists in Chechnya who killed hundreds of children in Russia under the banner of al Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, UN, not US inspectors Iran UN and EU, not US and North Korea no longer there without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. Yes, it was fantastic that we got Saddam- no one disagrees. Most Americans, however, wish that the man who killed 3,000 Americans (and other nationalities living in America) on 9/11 would have been the one captured. Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound. We agree, that was a mistake. We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq... and never found them. Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB! A statement subject to lengthly and credible debate. The Military morale is high! Again, a subjective statement that at least one soldier looking in trashheaps for armor for his humvee might argue. The biased media hopes we are too ignorant to realize the facts. Bias is subjective; both sides argue that the media is biased against them. And ignorance could be defined as blaming the media's bias for an individua’ls failure to seek out the facts. Wait, there's more... JOHN GLENN [D- Ohio] ON THE SENATE FLOOR:
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:13 Senator Metzenbaum to Senator Glenn:
"How can you run for Senate when you've never held a real job?"
Senator Glenn: "I served 23 years in the United States Marine Corps. I served through two wars. I flew 149 missions. My plane was hit by anti-aircraft fire on 12 different occasions. I was in the space program. It wasn't my checkbook, Howard; it was my life on the line. It was not a nine-to-five job, where I took time off to take the daily cash receipts to the bank. I ask you to go with me ... as I went the other day... to a veteran's hospital and look those men - with their mangled bodies - in the eye, and tell THEM they didn't hold a job! You go with me to the Space Program at NASA and go, as I have gone, to the widows and Orphans of Ed White, Gus Grissom and Roger Chaffee... and you look those kids in the eye and tell them that their DADS didn't hold a job. You go with me on Memorial Day and you stand in Arlington National Cemetery, where I have more friends buried than I'd like to remember, and you watch those waving flags. You stand there, and you think about this nation, and you tell ME that those people didn't have a job? I'll tell you, Howard Metzenbaum; you should be on your knees every day of your life thanking God that there were some men - SOME MEN - who held REAL jobs. And they required a dedication to a purpose - and a love of country and a dedication to duty - that was more important than life itself. And their self-sacrifice is what made this country possible. I HAVE held a job, Howard! What about you?" 1) John Glenn is a Democrat; 2) he could just as easily been talking about Cheney, Rumsfeld, or Wolfowitz- or Bush, for that matter. For those who don't remember - During W.W.II, Howard Metzenbaum was an attorney representing the Communist Party in the USA. This statement is pure unadulterated McCarthyism rearing its ugly head. That is the American way of doing things- even the most guilty are entitled to legal representation. And like it or not, The Communist Party was then, and still is, a legal political party in the United States; it is as entitled to have its candidates listed on the ballot as Republicans or Democrats. Freedom of Assembly is a freedom granted to everyone on American soil, even those to whom we find offense. Now he's a Senator elected by the people of his state in an election untainted by violence, fraud, or corruption. If you can read this, thank a teacher. You're welcome! If you are reading it in English thank a Veteran. Again, you're welcome!

As you were. I needed to site my source for this information....www.commongroundcommonsense.org/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t19321.html

[The Reaper]

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NOT my words or opinions just trying to expand on the topic at hand

As you were. I needed to site my source for this information....www.commongroundcommonsense.org/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t19321.html

hitman, what is your intent?

Do you think that repeating the same incorrect info from another misinformed source makes it true?

You do know how to do an internet search for facts, right?

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/g/glenn-metzenbaum.htm

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_glenn_metzenbaum.htm

http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/glenn.asp

http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/johnglenn.html

FACT: The above did not take place as described, the two gentlemen were running against one another for the Senate seat at the time.
FACT: This did not take place on the floor of the Senate.
FACT: Howard Metzenbaum never said that John Glenn never held a job, he said days before the above speech that "Colonel Glenn has never had to meet a payroll".
FACT: John Glenn made the above speech during a debate with Metzenbaum at the Cleveland City Club on 3 May 1974.
FACT: John Glenn never made the introductory comments about the leaders of the Democratic party he represented.

hitman, please do some research next time before wading into the fray.

Again, I found the speech itself to be quite satisfying, just correcting a few factual errors.

TR

[hitman]

hitman, what is your intent?

Do you think that repeating the same incorrect info from another misinformed source makes it true?

You do know how to do an internet search for facts, right?

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/g/glenn-metzenbaum.htm

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_glenn_metzenbaum.htm

http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/glenn.asp

http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/johnglenn.html

FACT: The above did not take place as described, the two gentlemen were running against one another for the Senate seat at the time.
FACT: This did not take place on the floor of the Senate.
FACT: Howard Metzenbaum never said that John Glenn never held a job, he said days before the above speech that "Colonel Glenn has never had to meet a payroll".
FACT: John Glenn made the above speech during a debate with Metzenbaum at the Cleveland City Club on 3 May 1974.
FACT: John Glenn never made the introductory comments about the leaders of the Democratic party he represented.

hitman, please do some research next time before wading into the fray.

Again, I found the speech itself to be quite satisfying, just correcting a few factual errors.

TR

Roger that Sir. I was trying to show that there is misinformation on both sides. Will move out and draw fire.

[echoes]

Again, I found the speech itself to be quite satisfying, just correcting a few factual errors. TR


Sir...You must be having a good day! ;)

Holly

[The Reaper]

Roger that Sir. I was trying to show that there is misinformation on both sides. Will move out and draw fire.

No worries.

Next time, use the board code to keep the original transcript in bold or the replies in italics to make it easier to decipher.

TR

[echoes]

No worries.

Next time, use the board code to keep the original transcript in bold or the replies in italics to make it easier to decipher.

TR

Sir,

Absolutely will. And thank You. ;)

Holly

[The Reaper]

Sir,

Absolutely will. And thank You. ;)

Holly

That was addressed to hitman, who I quoted.

Lighten up and enjoy your visit.:D

TR

[CoLawman]

That was addressed to hitman, who I quoted.

Lighten up and enjoy your visit.:D

TR

Echoes, TR has that same effect on me! Group Therapy is helpful.:D

[Sdiver]

Echoes, TR has that same effect on me! Group Therapy is helpful.:D

So does drinking mass quantities of Beer.


Off duty of course. ;)

[The Reaper]

Echoes, TR has that same effect on me! Group Therapy is helpful.:D

Lawman-

Hey, I just thought that I made you angry.:D

You get to Bragg and I am in own, first beer at the GB Club is on me, okay.

TR