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MtnGoat
12-28-2006, 05:42
Okay this is for every 18C, not just the 18X that just graduated last week. It is sad when three ODAs and one ODB deploy to conduct combat ops to a forward “Base” and forgot to bring items or equipment forward. Basic tool sets, equipment, and supplies. Bottom line is you MUST take care of YOUR ODA, don’t think that your higher (ODB or FOB will) or others will. To watch the ODB and ODAs looking for hand tools, nails, screws, power tools, tape and mech tools to use to make anything from furniture to breaching charges is very sad.

Facts: Deploying or moving forward to conduct one- to two-week combat operations outside of your assigned Fire Base, you need to plan for the most or worst. If you are living at another camp or forward site you should bring your own supplies. Only one ODA brought basic engineering tools forward to, let's say to make “things” needed for the mission at hand. So with this happening, I think this needs to be brought up and hopefully it will drive what is need by Groups for their AORs. Not just within OIF & OEF deployements.

I’m going to break this down into two different parts. First is things you need to think about getting from home station prior to deploying to OIF or OEF or wherever. Second will be basic things I feel you should always bring if you will be working out of a stationary place outside of a fire base.

Things to have from home station:

Repair and Utilities (R&U) Kit:
- A good cordless power tool set. I like a Makita (http://www.homedepot.com/prel80/HDUS/EN_US/diy_main/pg_diy.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@0287943893.1167302279@ @@@&BV_EngineID=cccdaddjkfmlgmicgelceffdfgidgkg.0&CNTTYPE=PROD_META&CNTKEY=misc/searchResults.jsp&MID=9876&N=2984+3966&pos=n24)over a Dewalt. Why? Because of the Skill Saw blade size. Make sure you get a 6 1/2 saw blade, some cordless come in 5 1/4" Makita is 6 ½”. (http://www.homedepot.com/prel80/HDUS/EN_US/diy_main/pg_diy.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@0287943893.1167302279@ @@@&BV_EngineID=cccdaddjkfmlgmicgelceffdfgidgkg.0&CNTTYPE=PROD_META&CNTKEY=misc/searchResults.jsp&MID=9876&N=2984+3966&pos=n24)Overseas, you get a lot of unfinished lumber, you need a bigger blade.
++Also get an extra battery charger (http://www.homedepot.com/prel80/HDUS/EN_US/diy_main/pg_diy.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@0287943893.1167302279@ @@@&BV_EngineID=cccdaddjkfmlgmicgelceffdfgidgkg.0&CNTTYPE=PROD_META&CNTKEY=misc/searchResults.jsp&MID=9876&N=2984+3966&pos=n24) and make sure you have four batteries total. If you have old ones that came with your tool set, order some new fresh ones with your SOR and Company funds before you deploy. It can be hard (very) to get them in some countries.
- Six (6) good framing hammers, 2 ea 3 to 5 lb. hammers, 2 ea. Cats Paw or nail pullers and 2-4ea 25 ft. tape measures. When you get into country get 2-3 meter tape measures so you can tell locals the sizes that you need something made in. This way they can take the measurements too.
- Corded power tools. You will need to bring the following; IMHO, this is what I like to have. Plus, once you get to a good foreign country (Europe) you need to get as many in 220-240V as you can.
+ Skill Saw with 2-3 25-40 tooth cut (http://www.homedepot.com/prel80/HDUS/EN_US/diy_main/pg_diy.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@0287943893.1167302279@ @@@&BV_EngineID=cccdaddjkfmlgmicgelceffdfgidgkg.0&CNTTYPE=PROD_META&CNTKEY=misc/searchResults.jsp&MID=9876&N=2984+3966&pos=n24) (higher better for 2’X4” cutting) and 6o+ tooth cut (http://www.homedepot.com/prel80/HDUS/EN_US/diy_main/pg_diy.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@0287943893.1167302279@ @@@&BV_EngineID=cccdaddjkfmlgmicgelceffdfgidgkg.0&CNTTYPE=PROD_META&CNTKEY=misc/searchResults.jsp&MID=9876&N=2984+3966&pos=n24) for finishing, plywood and Plexiglas (Carbide Teeth), and 1-2 masonry and metal cutting blades.
+ Standard ½” drills with a good drill bit set. You need a drill bit set that covers everything from wood to metal to concrete.
+ Hammer drill (http://www.homedepot.com/prel80/HDUS/EN_US/diy_main/pg_diy.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@0287943893.1167302279@ @@@&BV_EngineID=cccdaddjkfmlgmicgelceffdfgidgkg.0&CNTTYPE=PROD_META&CNTKEY=misc/searchResults.jsp&MID=9876&N=2984+3966&pos=n24) With third world materials and concrete you need one.
- 4-5 good hand saws. It’s good to have two cross cut and ripping saws, I would say two of each type. I like to have a Shark tooth saw too; it can cut both – Cross and Rip.
- Tree Bow Saw (http://www.homedepot.com/prel80/HDUS/EN_US/diy_main/pg_diy.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@0287943893.1167302279@ @@@&BV_EngineID=cccdaddjkfmlgmicgelceffdfgidgkg.0&CNTTYPE=PROD_META&CNTKEY=misc/searchResults.jsp&MID=9876&N=2984+3966&pos=n24). Get 4-6 blades on top of the on that it comes with. Look in third world countries you find a lot of rough cut lumber. Sometimes, you may have only trees to deal with. A hand box saw can come in handy too.
- Chain Saw. With trees and rough lumber a chain saw is a Charlie’s best friend at times. I like a Husqvarna; (http://www.usa.husqvarna.com/) you want something that you can work on easily. Mr. Harsey your input here, please chime in!! Get extra chains, spark plugs, and a tool key too. Make sure you get the 2-cycle oil for the fuel mix, and bar oil too, a box key for each saw should work. You have to know your AOR for this.
- Hex tool set (http://www.homedepot.com/prel80/HDUS/EN_US/diy_main/pg_diy.jsp?CNTTYPE=PROD_META&CNTKEY=misc%2fsearchResults.jsp&BV_SessionID=@@@@0233614678.1167305836@@@@&BV_EngineID=cccgaddjkfmlhfkcgelceffdfgidgml.0&MID=9876): get English and a metric set each.
- A Dremel tool kit (http://www.dremel.com/en-US/tools/), I like a Roto Zip set (http://www.homedepot.com/prel80/HDUS/EN_US/diy_main/pg_diy.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@0287943893.1167302279@ @@@&BV_EngineID=cccdaddjkfmlgmicgelceffdfgidgkg.0&CNTTYPE=PROD_META&CNTKEY=misc/searchResults.jsp&MID=9876&N=2984+3966&pos=n24). They make a cordless one now, so that helps out. This can be used with your demo set too.
- A good tool set. Some like a Craftsman or Mac Tool set. Get it in a plastic tool box and something over 110 tools. It’s good to have it in metric and English.
- Tool belts or apron (Added). 2-4 each if you’re doing a lot of building. Get more with your mission (MTT) fund site. Make sure it has a nail pouch and hammer “hook”.
- Nails and screws. Get some, screws are more important than nails. Third world screws are typically flat head screws and they SUCK!!
- A box of Series 5200 locks. People like to cut them and our ODA always has a universal key when we deploy. Don't forget your master key!
- Extension cords: 2-4 25 ft. cords, 1-2 50 ft. and 100 ft. cords. You need to get some of the cords with a three plug head. Get a heavy enough gauge cord for the loads you plan on running. Ask your 18E if you need help with the electrical calculations.
- A small generator. 5-15K is great and is overkill. But if you have to a lot of work or run some heaters or OPCEN items they work. Mil Gens are too big IMO.
- Lastly get a home improvement book. Something like the Home Depot (http://www.homedepot.com/prel80/HDUS/EN_US/diy_main/pg_diy.jsp?CNTTYPE=PROD_META&CNTKEY=misc%2fsearchResults.jsp&BV_SessionID=@@@@1969847062.1167306491@@@@&BV_EngineID=cchcaddjkfmllgecgelceffdfgidglo.0&MID=9876) or Lowe's book that covers just about everything within a house repair. An electrical (http://www.homedepot.com/prel80/HDUS/EN_US/diy_main/pg_diy.jsp?CNTTYPE=PROD_META&CNTKEY=misc%2fsearchResults.jsp&BV_SessionID=@@@@1969847062.1167306491@@@@&BV_EngineID=cchcaddjkfmllgecgelceffdfgidglo.0&MID=9876)one helps too.

Demo Kit. Well it is no longer the SDK, the regular Army has it now. So plan for your shortcomings on the supplies within it. All of those nice MOD shaped charges are all EOD items. What you were taught in the Q-course during CALC & PLACE is not what they were used for. Find the SDK TM book and you will see what they are used for. With that note, get your supply NCO to order what you want. He will have to re-confirm the order every 30-60 days, so you have to remind him.

What I think you need extra for a Demo Kit: (others chime in)
- The Dremel tool set works great for building Breaching charges.
- Tape Tape Tape!! Get some from the store. That DOD Lighthouse for the Blind doesn’t stick too well in the heat. Get colored duct tape.
- Spray adhesive.
- Get some craft store Super Glue. Regular Super Glue doesn’t stick to plastic and Demo well if at all. The craft type from a craft supply store works great.
- Electrical wire strippers (http://www.homedepot.com/prel80/HDUS/EN_US/diy_main/pg_diy.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@0287943893.1167302279@ @@@&BV_EngineID=cccdaddjkfmlgmicgelceffdfgidgkg.0&CNTTYPE=PROD_META&CNTKEY=misc/searchResults.jsp&MID=9876&N=2984+3966&pos=n24). Pick up at least two.
- If you Demo Kit don’t have the Gerber DEMO/EOD Tool get two for you and the other 18C. They will walk off if not secured.
- Utility knife. Get 4-6 utility cutting knives to aid in cutting demo instead of your Benchmade you use to open your food with. Get extra blade sets too.
- Order good commo wire (copper) from your SIGDET if you plan on doing electrical caps. Some foreign countries only use electrical caps, check on where you are going.
- Double sided adhesive tape. Super tape or something along those lines. Check with your SFAUC committee or CIF Company. They will know what is working in which ever theater you are going to.
- Rubber bands. As needed, all sizes. Riggers will have the heavy ones.
- Medical tape. I like taping my charges with 1” medical tape then writing the DTG made and charge name. Time systems, the same way.
- Paint markers. Two sets are working fine. Get some for your 18B and 18E, they like them too.

MtnGoat
12-28-2006, 05:45
Look, I will always take some needed supplies and equipment while on a mission. Everyone does, you need to plan for what you doing.

Here is a small list of what I would take if I'm going to stage out of someone else's fire base. US, NATO, ISAF, Coalition, etc. (added) You can say your going on a combat mission, but you will almost always need to build something for your ODA. DEMO Charges, Weapon Racks or mounts. Fix something that gets broken. So they way I roll is I bring what I can fit into my truck or best trailer for the unknow that awaits me at the new Fire base. If it is not another ODA or ODB, I bring my "stuff" for the COMBAT mission ahead. If your going out to do a DA stlye mission you don't need this. We know that, this is from that place that you will be staging out of. Find out what is there and work from there on what your ODA needs to bring forward.

Two items that are great to have are a mechanic's tool box or kit and a spot-arc welder kit/set. (http://www.goweld.com/)

Try to get an electrical class and a welding class for PMT training. It will help you out. KBR and Locals aren't always there when you need them.

While in country:

R&U kit:

Hammers, power tool sets (corded & cordless), a couple of your hand saws and maybe the tree bow saw. Get some nails to travel with. Plan to have wood shipped to wherever you are. If someone is “watching” your FB, ensure they know where your wood, nails, etc. are located. I run with my Cordless tool set and a hand tool bag wioth some nails in a ammo can.

DEMO:

Deploy with enough demo to make war with. Ensure that you bring (100 mile) tape, thumb tacks, rubber matting, adhesive tape and spray, as well as charge “sticks”. Bringing along some cardboard can help out too.

x SF med
12-28-2006, 07:48
MtnGoat-
I'm sitill working on that other project, it keeps blowing up on me (probably cause it's for you, damn 18C), but here are some ideas from my time in construction.

A lockable gangbox to keep the tools in is essential, besides security - everything is in one place.

You need to have a couple of 16 oz hammers on top of the heavy framers - and go with the most ergonomic designs out there for all of them, some even have vibration damping - you will thank me for this advice after 3 days of driving nails.

Have manual backups for all of your power tools, and yes that includes hand augers and hand drills - don't forget bits tthat work in the auger too (diamond chuck most of the time)

3 or 4 ratchet sets (2 ea metric from .5 mm to 30mm sockets and cut drivers, and 2 ea english from 1/64 to 2 in sockets and cut drivers)

Don't cheap out on drill bits, that is one place you will pay for frugality and make sure to mark your wood bits and metal/carbide bits differently - wood bits suck in metal, and metal bits gum up in wood - always clean your bits after use, and buy a bit sharpener.

Rather than buy different sets of tools for different voltages, get a multi socket voltage converter/inverter - probably cheaper to get 2 than have 4 sets of tools. and if you really bhave $$ in the budget - a diesel generator might be a good idea if it fits the mission.

Ok, I'm prepared to take fire now for my suggestions.

The Reaper
12-28-2006, 08:48
That is some outstanding work VG, and is a great planning document, especially for those making their first trip into the box. As a matter of fact, your writing is getting much better too, that was damn near perfect.

Last time I checked, they didn't teach deployment lists (or property book accountability) in the 18C course. 18Cs better get the info they need on it on their own.

x SF med is also correct. The above items will walk off with your teammates using them in CONUS. You get in theater and slickie boy is going to have half your gear at the end of the first day. Get a lock box and some spare locks. Issue that stuff out like you were at the auto craft shop. Check it for all components when they return it. That $350 saw isn't much good if the blade breaks and the spares are all gone to the local open air market.

You new 18Cs take this for action. The life you save could be your own.

Great work, hermano!

TR

x SF med
12-28-2006, 09:05
TR-
Property book accountability could be accomplished with a simple database or excel spreadsheet if you have a laptop available, plus you could run a 'balance sheet' with purchase dates for all of the items. The last part sounds anal, but even a good $300 drill motor will only last about 5 yrs of heavy use, it's a good way to accrue your budget for repurchase/replacement of items.

For expendibles - nails, tape, epoxy, screws, drill bits, driver tips, wire, wire nuts, bolts, washers... (lots of #2 phillips bits, they walk away and get stripped) keeping track of what's used will help you plan future projects - and you can see if you can locally source them on site rather than carry them.

Another type of item that gets forgotten - pipe wrenches / adjustable wrenches, all it takes is one plumbing job where all you have is large channel locks.... and don't forget a pipe cutter too - one that is rated for pig/slag iron and one that is rated for pvc / copper / galvanized.

As for power tools - Ryobi, Makita, Dewalt, and Rigid are very good - Porteer Cable has gone downhill over the past couple of years. I've got a Ryobi 18v cordless multi toque drill driver that is great, and the batteries will work with all kinds of add on tools - reciprocating saws, circular saws, I think they even have a jig saw attachment now. quick charge, lots of power and a speed chuck that really locks down - not hyper expensive, and extra batteries and chargers are not budget killers either - 4 hr charge from dead, 1 hr quick charge - the ylast about 4-5 hrs of work each.

incommin
12-28-2006, 11:20
I can see from the lists that times have really changed. But the posts reflect one thing that hasn't......I used to inventory my boxes/gear every Monday morning because things do seem to walk off!

Accountability for property always has been and always will be an issue.

Jim

Peregrino
12-28-2006, 13:20
MG - Excellent post/advice. I'm sorry to see you having to reinvent the wheel though. I've been counseled a few times for assembling kits containing most of what you've listed. Course that was in the days of "peacetime" supply accountability and busybodies that had problems with "excess property". x-SF-med - that's a good addendum. Especially the part about the gangbox. I'm assuming weight is no longer the problem it used to be when outloading? You might consider adding a couple furniture dollies and a hand truck to the list. Rolling beats carrying and there's almost never anyone free to help move loaded boxes when the time comes. (Hernias are a mission stopper.) Peregrino


P.S. MG - did you cheat and get an editor to proof spelling and grammar? :p

Max_Tab
12-28-2006, 15:22
Couple things to add...

R&U kit, don't forget a couple up/down converters. They are invaluable but you can also usually buy some in country. Don't forget that the GMV come's with a 110 volt power supply so you can charge batteries out on patrol, even if you don't have a generator.

Demo kit, a couple bags of large wowen's hair clips, to attach the firing system to the charge.

x SF med
12-28-2006, 15:36
Peregrino-
Most of the new gangboxes come with locking wheels now - and a folding pull handle on each end - Knaack makes the best, although not the lightest. Building removeable dividers into the box so stuff doesn't shift too horribly is great too. and level maps for what's where once the dividers are in saves time finding and invetorying items.

I wish I had been an 18C now, you guys get power tools.

Have you played with the idea of one of the electric nail guns, if you have the inverter on hand, it would speed up any construction, they'll handle up to 18d nails now, they're not just for trim, and no compressor.

Air.177
12-28-2006, 16:05
Peregrino-
Most of the new gangboxes come with locking wheels now - and a folding pull handle on each end - Knaack makes the best, although not the lightest. Building removeable dividers into the box so stuff doesn't shift too horribly is great too. and level maps for what's where once the dividers are in saves time finding and invetorying items.

I wish I had been an 18C now, you guys get power tools.

Have you played with the idea of one of the electric nail guns, if you have the inverter on hand, it would speed up any construction, they'll handle up to 18d nails now, they're not just for trim, and no compressor.

One of the gun shops I work for uses Knaack Boxes to transport inventory to/from gunshows, and as a desk/retail counter while at the show.

I ahve also seen Nail guns that were Propane powered, taking a standard camp stove type propane cylinder. I think I saw them in Popular Mechanics a while back.

Good times,
Blake

Peregrino
12-28-2006, 16:46
We used standard pneumatic nailers and air tools. (See the Redneck Engineering thread.) As long as you have an in-line regulator and the appropriate adaptors any vehicle with air brakes will run them. If you only have HMMV varients there's always portable compressors. They keep getting smaller, more powerful and more durable all the time. I'm a big fan of pressurized air; it's always useful for something. I've used the propane powered nailers (Paslode makes a good one) and they're great - as long as you can find the cartridges and keep the batteries charged. Peregrino

x SF med
12-28-2006, 18:06
If fastening to concrete- Tapcons!! Get the real ones, they come with a bit for piloting and a driver. They come in all sizes and are outstanding.

gtcrispy
12-28-2006, 18:08
VG,

Thanks for the tips/ideas. I'll share this with my Sr. when I get back to work and add this to my references.

PS. Have you happened to recieve any Oberta Beef Jerkey products recently?

MtnGoat
12-29-2006, 09:42
That is some outstanding work VG, and is a great planning document, especially for those making their first trip into the box. As a matter of fact, your writing is getting much better too, that was damn near perfect.

Last time I checked, they didn't teach deployment lists (or property book accountability) in the 18C course. 18Cs better get the info they need on it on their own.


Now this is funny, I can feel your hand hitting the back of my head on the first line. "SGT your on it (Pop) this time." LOL

Property Book accountability was being taught in the course from 02-05ish. It got cut for not being needed as much as somthing else. The talk was the new guys could learn on the ODAs and on Deploys. I was like, well thats really hooking the guys and ODAs up. It was only a day long blcok, covered the basics. At one point it was only for about 3-4 hours, done under the table and not on the POI at that time I was told. Sad to know that its gone. Knowing the basics on 2062, LOGSTATs, SF-44 (OPFUNDS), Logisitical Class and how "stuff" works is a lot for a Sr to cover while doing PMT or Load out. But thats what we have always be doing, so no change on that end.

Off my box

MtnGoat
12-29-2006, 09:53
Couple things to add...

R&U kit, don't forget a couple up/down converters. They are invaluable but you can also usually buy some in country. Don't forget that the GMV come's with a 110 volt power supply so you can charge batteries out on patrol, even if you don't have a generator.

Demo kit, a couple bags of large wowen's hair clips, to attach the firing system to the charge.
I was going to add this as an Edit on the hair clips. Wish we had some here somethings.

Zip Ties of different lenghts and sizes are valuable when making charges.

Snaquebite
12-29-2006, 10:16
Don"t forget the oils and lubricants for all those tools...if it requires a specific one take it or otherwise WD40 is a good cover-all.

looking through some "old" packing lists...I'll be back

x SF med
12-29-2006, 10:33
Don"t forget the oils and lubricants for all those tools...if it requires a specific one take it or other wise WD40 is a good cover-all.

looking through some "old" packing lists...I'll be back

Break Free or some other CLP - WD 40 can get gummy and attracts dust and sand.

Abu Jack
12-29-2006, 17:11
Great Thread. Thanks Mtn Goat. I guess what used to me institutional knowledge isn't. Thanks again for getting the word out.
Abu Jack

Snaquebite
12-29-2006, 18:33
Good point about the wd40, however if used correctly dust and sand won't be a problem. Also depends on what part of the world you may be deploying....

The Reaper
12-29-2006, 19:22
Break Free or some other CLP - WD 40 can get gummy and attracts dust and sand.

Not on a saw blade or to lube hinges, or for about 999 other uses.

The CLP collects dust and grit just as badly, as it is heavier.

TR

x SF med
12-29-2006, 20:10
Or a couple of cans of 3 in 1 would work too.
Scotchbrite, 0000 steelwool, and some good fine grit emery paper were left out of the R&U kit, all have multiple uses (cleaning and finishing).

lksteve
12-29-2006, 20:26
some good fine grit emery paper were left out of the R&U kit, all have multiple uses (cleaning and finishing).jeweller's rouge works well as a fine abrasive...if you are patient...

Peregrino
12-29-2006, 23:39
jeweller's rouge works well as a fine abrasive...if you are patient...

I remember wondering what the dull spots on the glass cover of the Tm Ldr's desk were when I first got to 775 in Panama. Seems the Sr. Eng. needed a perfectly flat surface so he could hand lap the valves off of the dive compressor. Learned a lot on that team. Peregrino

MtnGoat
01-01-2007, 01:46
This seems like a no brainier, but a good Tool bag (http://www.homedepot.com/prel80/HDUS/EN_US/diy_main/pg_diy.jsp?CNTTYPE=PROD_META&CNTKEY=misc%2fsearchResults.jsp&BV_SessionID=@@@@0946815019.1167636629@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccecaddjkiikfehcgelceffdfgidgio.0&MID=9876) to hold your Hammers, marking tools, pencils, markers, plumb bob, hand tools (screw driver, ETC) that you use a lot along with all of those items that seem to walk away on there own.

Added Items:
Carpenters square, 2ea
One foot level along with a three foot one
1-2 chalk line with a refill bottle
Miter Saw Protractor, small one, great for trying to find what cut (angle) you need in that special area.

Max_Tab
01-01-2007, 12:21
This gets away from tool's and demo equipment, but it is still a 18C item. If your conducting mounted op's, you should always have a good recovery kit. Preferable 1 per truck, but at a minimum at least one per convoy.

This is a pretty good basic kit.

http://www.4x4wire.com/reviews/eoprecov/

The only thing I would add to it, is an extra length of cable 25 to 50 ft long, that would fit through the pulley.

Plus do regular PMCS on the winch on your vehicle to ensure that it will work properly when needed.

lksteve
01-01-2007, 12:33
This gets away from tool's and demo equipment, but it is still a 18C item. If your conducting mounted op's, you should always have a good recovery kit. good idea...because i now normally travel paved roads, i quit carrying a come-along in the truck...unless you get really stupid, it can be used to get out of most situations (if used with patience and common sense)...

MtnGoat
01-07-2007, 10:50
9 Volt Batts for your CD-450 and RAMS. re-fill your 450s and put 6-8 9 Volts in the top cut out of your RAMS metal box. I would take one full box of 9Vs. They are hard to get here from the SIGDET and Local ones SUX.

Also, for all of you new 18C coming from the Course. Pass the word; we have TDFDs and your istructors need to cover them more!! I use have and use them!! There not GONE and you will or can see them in your future.

7624U
01-07-2007, 12:47
Ive always been a fan of the 18B and 18C combined tool sets, it cuts down on boxes and space, the only thing the 18B needs in addition is a rubber mallet
punch set and a Hex wrench set. all the rest of the tools the 18C already has in his kit like screwdrivers, pliers,wire cutters, bolt cutters, and heavy hammers,
all teams should have a air compresser now days, they can be used for everything. not a fan of rechargable tools they always run out of juice when you need them the most, Air power is much more dependable, it just makes more noise is all. and of course your little honda portable generator.

7624U
01-07-2007, 12:56
This gets away from tool's and demo equipment, but it is still a 18C item. If your conducting mounted op's, you should always have a good recovery kit. Preferable 1 per truck, but at a minimum at least one per convoy.

This is a pretty good basic kit.

http://www.4x4wire.com/reviews/eoprecov/

The only thing I would add to it, is an extra length of cable 25 to 50 ft long, that would fit through the pulley.

Plus do regular PMCS on the winch on your vehicle to ensure that it will work properly when needed.

Agree with that also you can carry a army issue grounding rod in your truck if you get stuck pound that grounding rod in the ground all the way then attach your pulley to it if you are in a spot with no ancor point or tree's its expendable just leave the rod.

MtnGoat
02-27-2007, 09:39
I have gone through two different sets of drill bits during this trip. I didn't get them, nor do I know if the got NEW ones for this trip. I would say ensure you get NEW drill sets, maybe two extra of 1/2", 3/4" and any you typically use more of. If you can get a drill sharper machine. There small and portable, great to have. I brought mine over (http://www.genext.drilldoctor.com/content/view/12/27/), but it got pluged into a 220V socket. D@mn the bad luck.

Hey this isn't just for an 18C to post his ideas. Like MAX TAB and 7624U posted, its open to all. I would like some one who knows Chain saw to post what they like to use. So if you have some good ideas from when you were deployed and wished you took it and you did pack it out and it helped out. Tell us so we all know. Even if its something you do back here at home station or on your 4x4 rock crawler.

x SF med
02-27-2007, 10:22
Goat-
Make sure you get at least 2 sets each of bits for wood and metal - they cut differently and using wood bits on metal will ruin them, as will using metal bits on wood - always lube while metal cutting - to preserve the bits (light machine oil is best) DON'T CHEAP OUT ON THE BITS, or saw blades (reciprocating saws are your friend!) or carbide cutting wheels. Just my .02 from about 7 years in commercial construction and a lifetime of woodworking.

MtnGoat
03-12-2007, 05:01
Had these PMed to me.. didn't see these posted:


-British Standard Whitworth wrenches. It’s a common fastener used up until the mid 70's on British vehicles and machinery, I've been told The Aussies still use it on the Rovers the produce under license.

- Metal Devil saw blades (http://www.metaldevil.com). They last many times longer than the abrasive steal cutting blades for circular saws, and I have never had one grenade because the metal doesn't get hot and pinch the blade.

- Ratchet straps; Holding, pulling, securing, or what ever else you can think of.

- Hi-lift jack and Jack-Mate . Besides used for changing big tires, they can be used for clamping, spreading, and as a big come along. http://www.jackmate.com/jm8000.php
http://www.hi-lift.com

-Milwaukee 28v cordless tools. Powerful, bomb proof, US made, long battery life, no heavier than my old 18v set, and a battery charge indicator. They have an SDS hammer drill, 1/2 impact, and some other heavy duty items in their line up. I picked up a second drill and 1/2 impact on eBay for 90 bucks each.

shawn@
09-20-2007, 19:38
Just my 3rd post here including the intro and do not want to over step my bounds.

I like to carry a 10 or 20 lbs CO2 bottle with regulator and coiled flex hose with Quick Disconnect. 1/2 Drive impact wrench + air chuck. This is great for inflating tires after airing down for off road operations. This set up works well for nailguns or any other air powered tool.

Have you gents seen or used liquid electricle tape? I have found it very helpful in field electricle repairs or replacing wire insulation if a small short has occured as a temporary repair.


(edit add)I use this when off roading

bubba
09-20-2007, 20:36
Major issues when either setting up the Team House / Fire Base can be solved by pre-fabbing the electrical system. The PDSS should answer most questions for what needs upgrade or built from scratch. If nothing else, have some US Standard wire, switches, sockets, breaker box, etc. Also if you don't have an electricaly inclined team mate a couple of books on the subject along with any TM's that you can find for generator sets (5-10k at least). Other expendable stuff that helps out like wing nuts, electrical tape, breakers, zip-ties, and wire wall staples. Some things that would have helped tremendously on my last trip. Just my .02, have a good un'

Alacrity
08-06-2010, 05:56
Great thread.

What's the rep on Hilti tools? I've heard from one charlie I know that they're great/awesome, etc, but never used them myself. They're also very expensive.

I don't like DeWalt too much, their batteries seem to go to shit fast. Was thinking of buying some Makita or Ryobi power tools, but if Hilti is better I'll look into it.

exsquid
08-06-2010, 23:05
Hilti = heavy construction. Think parking garages, sky scrappers, piers, etc.

x/S

Go Devil
08-07-2010, 06:51
Bench Grinder.

4" hand grinder with steel cutting discs and abrasive flap pads.

All- thread, various sizes, in lengths with associated hardware.

Cheater Pipes/Breaker Bars, 2" Dia- 3' Length.

Spud/Tanker/Pinch Bar.

Post hole diggers.

Cable Puller/Hand Winch/Come Along with snatch block pulleys, chain and hooks.

Sledge Hammer.

Rope.

Rigging TM 5-725

Fluke Multi-Meter

Mills
12-30-2010, 20:32
To add to previous replies in regards to drill bits......

I am personally bringing a "Drill Doctor" on my next trip to keep up with the demand for sharp bits. Thing works great, have been using it for a while now and love it.

Sharp bits in the sand box seem to be few and far between

MtnGoat
06-01-2011, 20:48
Thought I add this:

State-of-the art technology makes GOWELD® the new welding solution for professional welders, do-it-yourselfers, contractors, car and truck enthusiasts, maintenance and repair specialists, HVAC and heavy equipment technicians, utility workers, and for small and large welding jobs on the farm, at the ranch, off road or at home.

http://www.goweld.com/

MtnGoat
06-01-2011, 20:50
TO - Theater of Operation Construction has been changed to Special Operations Construction (SOC) for anyone that has been out of it or under a rock like me.

Also you can contact 18C Committee or get on their AKO site and download the NEW SOC handbook.

Mills
11-14-2011, 21:05
I did a PM and am posting this per MtnGoat requast. Let me know if mods feel I am out of my lane.

Originally Posted by Brush Okie
In the fire dept we used Stihl professional grade chain saws. I own a Stihl 440 magnum. Get the pro grade and get a bar minimum 28 inches long but 32-36 is better. Why so long? Its not to cut down redwoods but a long bar keeps you from having to lean over so far. For chains get a full skip chain, it will cut faster but kicks back easier. Also I like a full wrap handle for those cuts at odd angles or left handed folks like me. Alson with the saw get a couple of spare chains, files and basic tool kit.
The MS 460 would be a good choice.

http://www.stihlusa.com/chainsaws/MS460.html

Husquavarna also makes an exellant saw. Professional loggers use either of these two and both have their fans that fight over their favorite saw.

Another tool you may want to consider is the K-12. It is a rescue tool designed to cut through..... well anything like a car frame, steel doors etc. It can also double as a rescue tool if a vehicle gets overturned you can cut them out. Your medic will probably know what they are.

Here is a video of a guy cutting through a guardrail

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8pfD...eature=related

Add edit: Tools for the saw should be a chainsaw tool that is a combo screwdriver and wrwnch for sdjusting the chain and other maintance tasks. A chain file or two to resharpin. Dont forget the two stroke oil, a gas can and bar oil as well as an extra spark plug.

Great suggestion. I'm adding that to my dsor. Just spent some time with the Guy's from rescue 1 in the fdny and they had quite a few of those on the rig. Another cool tool they showed me was the hydra ram. Basically its a hydraulic operated halligan tool. Would work great for opening pesky locked doors and closets if you want to minimize damage to whatever is on the inside.

Mills
08-15-2012, 21:28
Anyone have any update to this thread in regards to VSO in Afghanistan?

I know trips vary, but for some of us..........we have not been involved in that just yet. Looking to start early and get the things that we need for the specific mission.

Thanks.

MtnGoat
08-19-2012, 09:24
Anyone have any update to this thread in regards to VSO in Afghanistan?

I know trips vary, but for some of us..........we have not been involved in that just yet. Looking to start early and get the things that we need for the specific mission.

Thanks.

IMO is depends on where you will be. How close you are to a major city, the people support in the area, ETC ETC ETC. This drives our DSORs. We all know this. IF we think we can't get it around our VSP we WISH FOR it on the DSOR list. Time of the year you will be there too drivers it.

Good 5Kw Generator and power tools from hell if your building a new VSP site.
30+ breaker panel for your main Generator panel, plus at least 8-10 breaker panels with 6-8 slots for individual rooms and OPSCEN. Some times all you have are tents so this drive this too. If your not sure request enough to set up your base line OPS and living. You can buy locally sometimes too but typically it is all 220V. With a military Generator you can run 110V and 220V with your Hertz at 50Hz or 55Hz. So you can run both, yes long term it can mess things up. But a Dyncorp guy taught me this, it works.

Screws of different sizes, 1 1/2", 2", 2/12", 3" 4' ETC. Boxes (I'm saying boxes) of 16d nails and good hammers if you don't have 1:1 per man from your carpenters tool kit. Buy good ones. We all know how well Chinese nails & screws are!! Tool belts, at least 4 belts. Both Charlies and two for others to help out.

Good welder if not a whole welder unit then at least get your gloves, bib, Auto-Darkening welding helmet, etc. If you are far away from a city I would get welding rods to start out with.

When I'm planning a new VSP I plan on making a shower/latrine trailer. So get a pipe cutter (for both Plastic Pipe and Tube Cutter) and a Ratcheting Cutter. Since most of your piping is metal (Steel) it is great to plan for them and/or get a pipe bender that can do 0 to 90 degrees bends. Get 3 piping threading tool set (I say more than 6 piece set). Just like buying drill bit sets, more the better. Northern Tools is a great place if you have one in town. Grainger tools too. Get lower water pressure shower heads, they pay off!!!

One thing I wish I had last trip was a hole cutter set, something along the lines of a 10 to 15 piece set )1/2" to 4"). If your thinking your going to do a lot of work then I say put down two sets. Cutting through SEALANDS, they go quick and you can't find good ones in Kabul or Kandahar.

If your there during the winter time put MATTRACKS down for your Razors. They are MONEY!!! But Most Commands don't like them due to there cost $10,000!! Ouch!! Yeah I know. But if they want you out during the winter months your MRAPS can't move for shit. Having two RZRs with these give you some mounted direct fire weapons and medical platform. Something for the LOJ, having something from your Bn Med can help too.

During the winter time leg gators are money!! Especially if your in the mountains and at altitude.

Air Compressor and 3000 PSI pressure washer for you vehicles and weapons. You can get these in country both gas and electrical powered, but most are Chinese made.

MPro 7 cleaning supplies. Enough said.

*********** Medical **********

Hand Pump water filters, like a MSR Sweetwater or miniworks plus two additional ceramic replacement filters. Dismounted patrols.

Our Medic DSORed a Portable oxygen concentrator, not sure if he got it. Will post update.

Cooking thermometers helps too.

If you have the DOG security system, get the add on devises from S4 Tech. I got their DOG Dual Sensor Kit and Thermal Camera Kit. Just email them and they will work with you and your needs. CJSOTF-A has many of these systems, check to see if your VSP has them.

Jgood
08-26-2012, 16:31
while not a Charlie but some good stuff to have

second on gaiters wish I had some will for next trip


Team gear

PVC cutter or hack saw with extra blades
PVC glue
oil and fuel filters for your 5k
oil for 5k
extra battery for cordless drills/saw kits
corded drill/skill saw
50ft water hose
pressure washer
drill bits
dremmel
bolt cutters
metal snips


Personal gear
Kindle Fire or similar
extra Ipod shuffle
extra eye pro/sunglasses


Ill post more once I make it stateside and gather all my notes and thoughts really like this thread lots of stuff to think about

Mills
08-26-2012, 20:48
IMO is depends on where you will be. How close you are to a major city, the people support in the area, ETC ETC ETC. This drives our DSORs. We all know this. IF we think we can't get it around our VSP we WISH FOR it on the DSOR list. Time of the year you will be there too drivers it.

Good 5Kw Generator and power tools from hell if your building a new VSP site.
30+ breaker panel for your main Generator panel, plus at least 8-10 breaker panels with 6-8 slots for individual rooms and OPSCEN. Some times all you have are tents so this drive this too. If your not sure request enough to set up your base line OPS and living. You can buy locally sometimes too but typically it is all 220V. With a military Generator you can run 110V and 220V with your Hertz at 50Hz or 55Hz. So you can run both, yes long term it can mess things up. But a Dyncorp guy taught me this, it works.

Screws of different sizes, 1 1/2", 2", 2/12", 3" 4' ETC. Boxes (I'm saying boxes) of 16d nails and good hammers if you don't have 1:1 per man from your carpenters tool kit. Buy good ones. We all know how well Chinese nails & screws are!! Tool belts, at least 4 belts. Both Charlies and two for others to help out.

Good welder if not a whole welder unit then at least get your gloves, bib, Auto-Darkening welding helmet, etc. If you are far away from a city I would get welding rods to start out with.

When I'm planning a new VSP I plan on making a shower/latrine trailer. So get a pipe cutter (for both Plastic Pipe and Tube Cutter) and a Ratcheting Cutter. Since most of your piping is metal (Steel) it is great to plan for them and/or get a pipe bender that can do 0 to 90 degrees bends. Get 3 piping threading tool set (I say more than 6 piece set). Just like buying drill bit sets, more the better. Northern Tools is a great place if you have one in town. Grainger tools too. Get lower water pressure shower heads, they pay off!!!

One thing I wish I had last trip was a hole cutter set, something along the lines of a 10 to 15 piece set )1/2" to 4"). If your thinking your going to do a lot of work then I say put down two sets. Cutting through SEALANDS, they go quick and you can't find good ones in Kabul or Kandahar.

If your there during the winter time put MATTRACKS down for your Razors. They are MONEY!!! But Most Commands don't like them due to there cost $10,000!! Ouch!! Yeah I know. But if they want you out during the winter months your MRAPS can't move for shit. Having two RZRs with these give you some mounted direct fire weapons and medical platform. Something for the LOJ, having something from your Bn Med can help too.

During the winter time leg gators are money!! Especially if your in the mountains and at altitude.

Air Compressor and 3000 PSI pressure washer for you vehicles and weapons. You can get these in country both gas and electrical powered, but most are Chinese made.

MPro 7 cleaning supplies. Enough said.

*********** Medical **********

Hand Pump water filters, like a MSR Sweetwater or miniworks plus two additional ceramic replacement filters. Dismounted patrols.

Our Medic DSORed a Portable oxygen concentrator, not sure if he got it. Will post update.

Cooking thermometers helps too.

If you have the DOG security system, get the add on devises from S4 Tech. I got their DOG Dual Sensor Kit and Thermal Camera Kit. Just email them and they will work with you and your needs. CJSOTF-A has many of these systems, check to see if your VSP has them.

Do you think that the self filter lifesaver water bottles will work versus the MSR hand pumps? Just thinking in terms of saving space and guys actually using them. Working the DOG system now, the S-8 slued me into that a few weeks back and the feedback that I have is great. Looking at a late winter to summer trip, so have to plan accordingly.

The biggest obstacle we seem to have is access to the 5K.

I never thought about the aspect of bringing my own panel boxes and wiring. It would make things a lot easier in regards to setting up shop versus having to go with cheap 220V boxes and wiring. Maybe I will look into getting all of the needed electrical supplies prior to leaving.

The shower trailer was a given. I am counting on having to build one of those, however that is a lot of material to haul. My electrical skills are solid, however my plumbing skills not. So that is another problem to deal with. Hopefully I will be able to track down some diagrams prior to leaving.

Jgood
08-27-2012, 12:18
depending on where ur going the 5k can be a lifesaver we ended up with 3 broken 60ks in feb/mar in the mountains and only had our 5k to run the TOC for a month and a half only power on camp down side we didnt bring enough replacement/pmcs parts for it(will next trip) its still gtg.

one of those electric/desiel shop heaters are also really nice to have.

biggest problem for use with wire was getting a heavy enough gage to run to the buildings from the gens.

MtnGoat
08-27-2012, 17:42
depending on where ur going the 5k can be a lifesaver we ended up with 3 broken 60ks in feb/mar in the mountains and only had our 5k to run the TOC for a month and a half only power on camp down side we didnt bring enough replacement/pmcs parts for it(will next trip) its still gtg.

one of those electric/desiel shop heaters are also really nice to have.

biggest problem for use with wire was getting a heavy enough gage to run to the buildings from the gens.

Great points.. You can get good 5Kw to 25Kw generators the issue now is MEL process. Just like you heat how BAF,KAF & JAB ETC all have SEALANDS, chicgos etc. yeah maybe on some Ppt or BPA sheet. But it's getting them is the hard part. Your spend list and MEL is were you win or lose.

I have a guy in Kabul that I meet YEARS ago use to work on old Vance. He is cousin to "Z" and Tiny for all of you. He can get me anything and if needed ship it to me. Knows people and makes shit happen. Once again it is all on the MELs.

One other thing.. Your ASTs can be magic. If your ODA had a AST at KAF/BAF he can be your go getter if you forgot something. AST sucks, your not out with your ODA doing the deed. I got it. But you're the guy that gets supplies and such fir your ODA. So IMHO if you're not on duty or in the gym; get your butt out of Pizza Hut and the Green bean and go to the different shops, TF Paladin, ASP, Robotics, DMRO, ETC. Knowing places & people. Eat chow with the contractors in "their" DFAC.

If you can get it stateside from your DSOR the better it is.

MtnGoat
08-27-2012, 17:51
Do you think that the self filter lifesaver water bottles will work versus the MSR hand pumps? Just thinking in terms of saving space and guys actually using them. Working the DOG system now, the S-8 slued me into that a few weeks back and the feedback that I have is great. Looking at a late winter to summer trip, so have to plan accordingly.

The biggest obstacle we seem to have is access to the 5K.

I never thought about the aspect of bringing my own panel boxes and wiring. It would make things a lot easier in regards to setting up shop versus having to go with cheap 220V boxes and wiring. Maybe I will look into getting all of the needed electrical supplies prior to leaving.

The shower trailer was a given. I am counting on having to build one of those, however that is a lot of material to haul. My electrical skills are solid, however my plumbing skills not. So that is another problem to deal with. Hopefully I will be able to track down some diagrams prior to leaving.

I have never used a self filter lifesaver water bottle, worked with some Brits and they lived them. I say put then both down on the DSOR. I use the MSR, or any filter system for dismounted patrolling. The self filter lifesaver water bottles would be great around the VSP or eating with locals. Nice discreet easy to drink clean.

Go to some mountain climbing forums and look there. I may buy one to try out this trip.

hotshot
08-27-2012, 19:11
[QUOTE= I have a guy in Kabul that I meet YEARS ago use to work on old Vance. He is cousin to Z and Tiny for all of you. He can get me anything and if needed ship it to me. Knows people and makes shit happen. Once again it is all on the MELs. [/QUOTE]

What ever happened to those guys? Last time I saw them was in 07. There was also Rocky and Jacob.

CH

Jgood
08-28-2012, 09:51
side note on MELs in country we went from the Opfund to the OMA fund which really cuts what you can buy down.

theskeindhu
08-29-2012, 05:14
Great points.. You can get good 5Kw to 25Kw generators the issue now is MEL process. Just like you heat how BAF,KAF & JAB ETC all have SEALANDS, chicgos etc. yeah maybe on some Ppt or BPA sheet. But it's getting them is the hard part. Your spend list and MEL is were you win or lose.

I have a guy in Kabul that I meet YEARS ago use to work on old Vance. He is cousin to "Z" and Tiny for all of you. He can get me anything and if needed ship it to me. Knows people and makes shit happen. Once again it is all on the MELs.

One other thing.. Your ASTs can be magic. If your ODA had a AST at KAF/BAF he can be your go getter if you forgot something. AST sucks, your not out with your ODA doing the deed. I got it. But you're the guy that gets supplies and such fir your ODA. So IMHO if you're not on duty or in the gym; get your butt out of Pizza Hut and the Green bean and go to the different shops, TF Paladin, ASP, Robotics, DMRO, ETC. Knowing places & people. Eat chow with the contractors in "their" DFAC.

If you can get it stateside from your DSOR the better it is.

100% agree; B team/AST makes or breaks the logistics train most of the time. It is amazing how difficult it is to get certain items with OMA, but with remembering key words like "force pro" "winterization" etc it is still possible to make things happen.
Another distburbing trend is dealing with Fluor supply avenues and the paperwork involved in getting simple stuff done through those clowns. My Afghans and I can jerry rig almost anything, we do not need to wait 3 weeks because the Fluor site manager has to contact the District Manager and sign a blah, blah, blah. Screw off, leave we can handle our sites without this farce.

MtnGoat
09-17-2012, 17:58
C100% agree; B team/AST makes or breaks the logistics train most of the time. It is amazing how difficult it is to get certain items with OMA, but with remembering key words like "force pro" "winterization" etc it is still possible to make things happen.
Another distburbing trend is dealing with Fluor supply avenues and the paperwork involved in getting simple stuff done through those clowns. My Afghans and I can jerry rig almost anything, we do not need to wait 3 weeks because the Fluor site manager has to contact the District Manager and sign a blah, blah, blah. Screw off, leave we can handle our sites without this farce.

One thing to think about are SEABEEs. You can request a whole"team" or better yet request specific guys; welders, plumbers, electricians etc. Once again AST is key along with your FOO & Class A going up. It's ten times better when you have to go to BAF. SEABEEs Ares on VANCE BTW.

MtnGoat
10-23-2012, 21:44
Here I am sitting reading a old left behind Handyman mag and run across this:

Ryobi Straight Shank Drill Bit Set (90-Piece )

http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=100671744&storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&ci_sku=100671744&ci_kw=%7bkeyword%7d&kwd=%7bkeyword%7d&cm_mmc=shopping%2d%5f%2dgoogleads%2d%5f%2dpla%2d%5 f%2d100671744&ci_gpa=pla

We did our DSOR for this trip and I think we have three different drill bit sets to make just this one. To top it off all of them ran at least $96.00 total. This isn't the fix for all but I would get two of these sets along with a Drill Doctor.

http://www.drilldoctor.com/

So many 18Cs get the NICE NEW DRILL Set/Kits but forget the Drill bit sets and "other things for that Dewalt Drill tool kit.

I would throw these on your next DSOR for whatever TRIP!!

MtnGoat
10-25-2012, 22:37
I saw one of these and thought they would be nice to have on a Razor.. Heck anywhere. Something to have handy, in that "tool Box".

I used a Sears link because I know how some Groups can be about GPC.. But you can find them cheaper online.

Stanley FatMax Xtreme 55-120 FuBar III (http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_SPM7478642911P?sid=IDx20110310x00001 i&srccode=cii_184425893&cpncode=33-96191167-2)