View Full Version : Love letter from Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
I love to know what you Q.P.'s think of this......
x SF med
11-29-2006, 12:25
Wow. I need time to process and reread that one yet another time - I still can't figure out if he loves or hates us, wants to bring peace, or start WWIII...
He also seems to want us to join a jihad against the 'Zionists'.... in the name of world peace and stability.
Again, Wow.
Personally I feel he is a lying P.O.S. (pardon the expression).
I got this sickening feeling in my stomach much as I imagine our troops did in WWII when listening to the spew from Tokyo Rose!
incommin
11-29-2006, 13:52
I think he believes this..... or at least some of it. A month ago we were the great Satan and it was "death to America".
The left wing and peace at all cost fans will love it and him. He is such a peaceful man...... he only supports terrorists (freedom fighters in his eyes). wants to wipe Israel off the map, and bring America down.
It is one great propaganda ploy. He appears to be holding out a friendly hand....that Bush will reject...... he will gain more power and influence in the middle east....and we will lose some more.
Jim
Kyobanim
11-29-2006, 14:02
MSNBC has an article on this and at the bottom there is a space where you can say how you would respond to the letter. The link is here if you want to send your response: msnbc.msn.com/id/15947213/
My response was, "I think he has his doo rag wrapped a little too tight."
futureSoldier
11-29-2006, 14:47
Gentlemen,
I have mostly lurked and learned on this website-realizing that I do not have much experience to add to most of these conversations. But reading this letter-it scares me and I would like to know if anyone else sees this coming together the way I do. To me it feels like reading Hitler or the radio transcripts of Stalin-his persuasive skills are powerful and he exudes passion (even though the peaceful passion is obviously a lie). He isn't some two-bit power mad dictator, he doesn't simply have guns and the willingness to use them for a little power or cash. It seems to me that he very well may be the most dangerous threat that we have faced since the cold war. Guns can be fought with guns, but passion must be fought with an even greater passion. It has been a long time since anyone had the ways, the means, and the will to carry out the evil that this seeks to.
Anyways, just my little .02...
Back to lurking... Thank you all for sharing your wisdom and advice,
Joe
My letter to him....
Dear President of Iran,
F**k off and die, in a REALLY big fireball.
Sincerely,
A Zionist supporter
P.S. ..... Have a nice day.
Of course he wants us out of the ME and Iraq. Iran would fill the power vacuum. This guy is a PR machine, a dangerous one at that.
Of course he wants us out of the ME and Iraq. Iran would fill the power vacuum. This guy is a PR machine, a dangerous one at that.
Disagree,
- He needs us as an enemy for domestic political purposes. We have already gotten rid of two of Iran's enemies to its east and west. For him and the Mullahs to stay in power they need someone to blame. He is facing a huge demographic boom of dissatisfied young people, better to keep them pissed off at foreign powers than domestic ones.
- He needs us for regional purposes. We piss off Arab Sunni's with our presence in the region. For Iran to consolidate regional power, they need an enemy and not just the Jews.
- He needs us for fiscal purposes. Petroleum exports are pretty much Iran's economy. Iran needs to get every barrel possible to market, and we need every barrel to get to market with global surplus production capacity around 1 to 1.5% right now. The U.S. is the guardian of the world economies SLOC, Iran who operates OPECs largest tanker fleet-needs to securely get its exports to the Asian market.
I agree he is a threat, but question the size.
Thoughts?
I love to know what you Q.P.'s think of this......
Printer paper hurts when you wipe with it what else you want to know
Firebeef
11-29-2006, 18:53
I'd love to hear what Pelosi, Murtha, Clinton, Jackson, Carter, Rangel and friends think of President Alphabets letter
jfhiller
11-29-2006, 19:00
I'd be interested in the response of those who are familiar with the teaching of fundamentalist or orthodox Islam. Is there not a teaching that says that unbelievers are to be offered a friendly invitation to convert to Islam; if they refuse, they are to be afforded safe, but second-class citizenship and required to pay a tribute to the Islamic rulers; if they refuse that, they are to be killed? I remember Ahmadinejad writing a letter to Bush not too long ago inviting him to convert and I immediately thought of this teaching that I had heard.
1. Is that teaching correct as I described?
2. If so, could this letter to the American people be part of the same attempt to be seen as abiding by Islamic teaching before an all-out attack on the American people?
I would like to hear the view of some of you who are knowledgable about the Islamic religion and customs.
I'd love to hear what Pelosi, Murtha, Clinton, Jackson, Carter, Rangel and friends think of President Alphabets letter
They probably helped him compose it. :munchin
The Reaper
11-29-2006, 21:31
I think that if a terrorist WMD attack was to occur in the United States, that we should immediately launch attacks on Iran and NK as a minimum.
They need to be quietly informed of that, along with the fact that we will use sufficient numbers of weapons to wipe their countries off the map permanently, no retaliatory strikes in kind, rather we will wage total nuclear war against them.
I don't think the owners of a few large, fizzle-type bombs and some 50s era rockets should be messing with the nation that invented, employed, and has retained a large inventory of accurate, high-yield strategic weapons.
TR
I don't think the owners of a few large, fizzle-type bombs and some 50s era rockets should be messing with the nation that invented, employed, and has retained a large inventory of accurate, high-yield strategic weapons.
TR
Now that is a message!
Disagree,
- He needs us as an enemy for domestic political purposes. We have already gotten rid of two of Iran's enemies to its east and west. For him and the Mullahs to stay in power they need someone to blame. He is facing a huge demographic boom of dissatisfied young people, better to keep them pissed off at foreign powers than domestic ones.
- He needs us for regional purposes. We piss off Arab Sunni's with our presence in the region. For Iran to consolidate regional power, they need an enemy and not just the Jews.
- He needs us for fiscal purposes. Petroleum exports are pretty much Iran's economy. Iran needs to get every barrel possible to market, and we need every barrel to get to market with global surplus production capacity around 1 to 1.5% right now. The U.S. is the guardian of the world economies SLOC, Iran who operates OPECs largest tanker fleet-needs to securely get its exports to the Asian market.
I agree he is a threat, but question the size.
Thoughts?
I thought the gist of his conclusion was for us to leave Iraq. No?
CoLawman
11-29-2006, 23:23
I know this man! He is Hitler, He is Stalin, He is Pol Pot, He is Lucifer!
Hate it when they try to make themselves look like the good guy. :mad:
Printer paper hurts when you wipe with it what else you want to know
Glad to hear that you found a good use for the document!:D
jfhiller
11-30-2006, 12:18
So, Rush is quoting scholars in Islam suggesting that these are religious letters in the vein I asked about previously. Interesting. There's also apparently new "smoking gun" evidence that Iran is supporting terrroists in Iraq -- no surprise, but interesting nonetheless.
Warrior-Mentor
11-30-2006, 20:47
New York Times
November 30, 2006
Iran's President Criticizes Bush In Letter To American People
By Michael Slackman
BEIRUT, Lebanon, Nov. 29 - Iran's president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, told the American people on Wednesday that he was certain they detested President Bush's policies - his support for Israel, war in Iraq and curtailed civil liberties - and he offered to work with them to reverse those policies.
The call came in the form of a six-page letter in English, published online and
addressed to "noble Americans" that discussed "the many wars and calamities
caused by the U.S. administration." It suggested that Americans had been fooled into accepting their government's policies, especially toward Israel.
"What have the Zionists done for the American people that the U.S.
administration considers itself obliged to blindly support these infamous
aggressors?" Mr. Ahmadinejad wrote. "Is it not because they have imposed
themselves on a substantial portion of the banking, financial, cultural and
media sectors?"
This was the latest public step by Iran's president to promote a dialogue with
the United States. He wrote a letter to Mr. Bush in May, calling on him to shift
his policies and open a discussion, but it was dismissed by the White House as
irrelevant to the central issue dividing them - Iran's nuclear program. Then Mr.
Ahmadinejad challenged Mr. Bush to a public debate, also dismissed by the White House.
On Wednesday, the administration's reaction remained unchanged.
"This is a transparently hypocritical and cynical letter," Nicholas R. Burns,
under secretary of state for political affairs, said in Washington about the
latest letter. "It reflects a profound lack of understanding of the United
States."
Still, at least tactically the letter seemed to take a page from Mr. Bush
himself, who, speaking to the United Nations General Assembly in September,
sought to bypass the Iranian government and address the people directly. The
letter also distinguished between the administration and the people.
"Undoubtedly, the American people are not satisfied with this behavior, and they showed their discontent in the recent elections," Mr. Ahmadinejad wrote. "I hope that in the wake of the midterm elections, the administration of President Bush will have heard and will heed the message of the American people."
But it was the emphasis on religious themes, specifically Shiite Muslim notions
of justice and fighting oppression, that characterized the new letter as it did
his letter to President Bush.
"Both our nations are God-fearing, truth-loving and justice-seeking, and both
seek dignity, respect and perfection," the letter said.
The letter seemed directed at three audiences. It sought to reach out to
Americans through religious values; to the Arab world, by emphasizing the
Palestinian conflict with Israel; and to Mr. Ahmadinejad's political base at
home, which includes the military, hard-line clerics and Ayatollah Ali Khamenei,
the supreme leader.
The letter also employed an inferential, Iranian style of communication that experts say is likely to leave Americans cold.
"Americans are going to be very puzzled by it," said William Beeman, a
linguistic anthropologist at Brown University who specializes in Persian.
"People are simply not used to being talked to this way." He added, "It is
almost a sermon, which is very much in keeping with his religious background.
But I should also point out it is also a lecture."
The letter reminded Americans that "many victims of Katrina continue to suffer,
and countless Americans continue to live in poverty and homelessness."
It also lamented: "Civil liberties are increasingly being curtailed. Even the
privacy of the individuals is fast losing its meaning."
The president made no reference to the level of poverty, political freedom or
judicial independence in his own country.
After referring to Abu Ghraib in Iraq and the prison at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, he wrote: "I have no doubt that the American people do not approve of this behavior and indeed deplore it."
Since his election in June 2005, Mr. Ahmadinejad has pursued an aggressive and outspoken foreign policy, relying on the bully pulpit of his position to make up for the limited powers of Iran's presidency.
His refusal to end enrichment of uranium and his calls for the destruction of
Israel have won him few friends in the West. But they have led to increasing
popularity across the Muslim world.
Davoud Hermidas-Bavand, a professor of international relations at Tehran
University, said the letter was mostly an effort to win the allegiance of Arabs. Iran has been trying to position itself as the pre-eminent power in the Middle
East.
"His first objective is to get the sympathy of Arabs," said Dr. Hermidas-Bavand.
"The letter makes Ahmadinejad a subject of international talks, particularly in
the Middle East."
He said the letter gave insight into President Ahmadinejad's understanding of
American society and governance as being driven largely by Christian beliefs and values.
"He has probably been told that American people are religious and that is how
Mr. Bush won, by addressing people's sense of faith," he said. "Now he wants to capitalize on this sense of religiousness."
Iran finds its leverage rising, especially as Iraq struggles through bloody
sectarian fighting. In Washington, there is increased pressure on the White
House to open direct talks with Iran to help stabilize Iraq and Afghanistan.
Mr. Ahmadinejad offered a litany of sharp attacks on American policy - calling,
for example, for withdrawal from Iraq. And he once again highlighted a central
demand of Tehran: that it be treated as an equal by Washington.
But Professor Beeman also said that Americans should recognize that the letter did represent an overture. "Iran is saying, 'We want to have a dialogue with you,' " he said.
Helene Cooper contributed reporting from Amman, Jordan, and Nazila Fathi from Iran.
But Professor Beeman also said that Americans should recognize that the letter did represent an overture. "Iran is saying, 'We want to have a dialogue with you,' " he said.
Whew, what a relief. Now we can "have peace in our time.":confused: