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Pete
11-28-2006, 04:22
Hey is the observer article on Robin Sage

http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=248015

We have a few lads out there this time I think.

Pete

And a few at selection

Added for archival purposes:...gj Kevin
Robin Sage tests Special Forces trainees
By Kevin Maurer
Staff writer

ASHEBORO — Cold rain and sleet pounded the top of the horse trailer last week as 13 Special Forces students from Operational Detachment Alpha 925 and their small guerrilla force waited for the order to attack.

The students — all of them cold and sleep-deprived — were supposed to grab or kill a local bad guy in this real-as-they-can-make-it war game.

It was to be their final test before the Special Forces trainees graduate and earn their signature green berets.

All of the men of ODA 925 have been training for a year since volunteering for the Special Forces and making it through a grueling selection process.

A Special Forces soldier who makes it to the final exercise, known as Robin Sage, has come a long way, said Command Sgt. Maj. Terry Peters.

“He has only aged one year, but has really aged light years,” said Peters, the top enlisted soldier in the 1st Battalion of the 1st Special Warfare Training Group. “He now understands the subtle difference he can make. That is a maturity you just can’t get in any classroom.”

The two-week exercise is intended to test all of the training the soldiers have received. A key to Special Forces is working with people in foreign countries: In Robin Sage, the student teams have to get cooperation from role-players posing as indigenous people and guerrilla fighters.

Robin Sage has been conducted for more than 50 years. The latest version incorporates lessons learned in Afghanistan and Iraq, but it also folds in scenarios based on missions in Latin America and the Philippines.

“Robin Sage is none of those, but it is all of those,” said Lt. Col. Paul Ott, commander of the 1st Battalion, 1st Special Warfare Training Group. “We’ve developed a UW (unconventional warfare) scenario that they can apply all over the world.”

Robin Sage takes place in the fictional “Pineland” — actually the backwoods of parts of more than a dozen counties in central North Carolina. ODA 925 was in Randolph County, which is the home of the N.C. Zoo.

For the first two weeks of the exercise, the 13 Special Forces students trained 19 inexperienced guerrillas in tactics, first aid, demolitions and communications at their base camp.

“We are here to create some chaos in the rear,” ODA 925’s captain said. For security reasons, he declined to give his name. Most Special Forces soldiers deploy within a year of graduation.

The base camp was built around a squat log cabin in the middle of a thicket of trees on a small farm. Soldiers grilled pork and venison in a fire pit.

The meat, butchered by the team’s medics, came from the civilian auxiliary.

More than 400 such civilians — 60 in Randolph County — volunteer during each Robin Sage exercise. They provide the team with food and transportation and test the soldiers’ ability to build rapport with locals.

In Randolph County, “Pineland Bob” Snyder supplies the team with food. Snyder is retired, but many of the auxiliary work as firefighters, deputies, doctors and business people. Some are second- or third-generation volunteers.

“I consider it a necessity for us to be here. When they go into another country, they are going to meet all kinds of people,” Snyder said. “Maybe something I will do will save somebody’s life.”

The mission
The final mission for ODA 925 was to kill or capture Jose “Killer” Cuervo, a local strongman with a reputation for torturing Pineland guerrillas. A nine-man security team was also at the house where Cuervo had been sighted, according to Bulldog, an informant.

The team planned the raid and trained the guerrillas how to execute it, including the importance of shooting pictures after the raid. The pictures were to prove Cuervo’s capture or death, a key counter-propaganda goal, the captain said.

The white two-story target house was dilapidated, surrounded by overgrown bushes. It sat on a hill at the end of a long driveway.

The soldiers, piled in their horse trailer, pulled up slowly. Because of the bad weather, the captain decided on a hasty assault. As soon as the trailer reached the front of the house, the soldiers and the guerrillas stormed out.

A burst from a blank-firing AK-47 broke the silence. The muzzle flash lit the front of the house as the soldiers rushed inside.

Gunfire crashed through the house as the assault teams rushed upstairs and into the rooms on the first floor. A few minutes into the fight, the guards were dead and the team started searching for Cuervo.

“Have you got Jose?” yelled the captain.

Negative, the soldiers responded.

“Look for false doors,” the captain ordered.

The brief search led the teams up a set of back stairs and into a room. The captain grabbed Bulldog.

“Where is Jose?” he yelled at Bulldog.

The tactical questioning was over in seconds.

“Jose is up there, and he is wearing all black,” the captain yelled to his men.

Their mission accomplished, the team headed for their first warm bed in weeks and likely a Special Forces tab.

Staff writer Kevin Maurer can be reached at maurerk@fayobserver.com or 486-3587.

Shans84
11-28-2006, 08:51
Awesome...I Can't wait to go. Motivation :)

MtnGoat
11-28-2006, 13:24
More than 400 such civilians — 60 in Randolph County — volunteer during each Robin Sage exercise. They provide the team with food and transportation and test the soldiers’ ability to build rapport with locals.
In Randolph County, “Pineland Bob” Snyder supplies the team with food. Snyder is retired, but many of the auxiliary work as firefighters, deputies, doctors and business people. Some are second- or third-generation volunteers.
“I consider it a necessity for us to be here. When they go into another country, they are going to meet all kinds of people,” Snyder said. “Maybe something I will do will save somebody’s life.”

If it wasn’t for these Great American’s, Sage wouldn’t be SAGE. Thanks to all the man and woman that volunteer their free time to be the role players for this Nation’s Military.

Irish_Army01
11-29-2006, 07:34
Hey is the observer article on Robin Sage

http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=248015

We have a few lads out there this time I think.

Pete

And a few at selection.

You beat me to it:cool: Was gonna post that too..Great read.

kgoerz
11-29-2006, 15:53
If it wasn’t for these Great American’s, Sage wouldn’t be SAGE. Thanks to all the man and woman that volunteer their free time to be the role players for this Nation’s Military.

I live near a bunch of these guys and they are really into it. I guess Blank AK Ammo is hard to find. Many of them carry their own weapons. It was limited to ak's with blank adaptors.......etc. This was about five years ago. After the shooting incident they wouldn't let them carry POW'S anymore. Some of them were pretty upset about the new rule. Did they ever start letting them carry their own op-for weapons again? I gave them two cases of blank AK Ammo, they were very great full to say the least. Also when I cleaned house after retiring I gave them all of the gear I didn't want. Anyone who ever needs to get rid of old uniforms, TA-50.....etc. donate it to them. They are always looking for stuff.

gtcrispy
11-29-2006, 19:27
We worked with some real-life militia/role players who carried an assortment of their own weapons when I was out there Aug 05.

Amato
12-05-2006, 18:20
I was out there as guerilla. Defenantly learned what not to do, when its my turn. First time I ever played paintball was out there.

Geo
12-05-2006, 22:30
Definitely.

crash
09-19-2007, 07:07
Who would one talk to about becoming a role player?

The Reaper
09-19-2007, 07:15
Who would one talk to about becoming a role player?

You don't call them, they will call you if they need you.

TR

TooTall
09-20-2007, 23:02
Nice writing... I think I'll go grab my ruck and foot kit.

OpForKorn
11-10-2008, 19:29
I just happen to be one of the civilians that support this exercise. I own a tract of property that I allow one team to use as a G-base, I work with one team as OpFor, and others as role player in whatever capacity needed. I'll state for the record the reason that I do any of these activities is not for fame, fortune, glory, or that I'm a Rambo wanna-be. I do this so that our guys will stand a better chance of not getting killed when they are sent into the real world.
All the role players I'm involved with were asked why we do it, and every one stated, "It's for them." We only wish were were allowed to do more, and that the higher-ups would return Robin Sage to the make or break status that it once was, instead of just the mere formality it has become today.

SF_BHT
11-10-2008, 20:25
I just happen to be one of the civilians that support this exercise. I own a tract of property that I allow one team to use as a G-base, I work with one team as OpFor, and others as role player in whatever capacity needed. I'll state for the record the reason that I do any of these activities is not for fame, fortune, glory, or that I'm a Rambo wanna-be. I do this so that our guys will stand a better chance of not getting killed when they are sent into the real world.
All the role players I'm involved with were asked why we do it, and every one stated, "It's for them." We only wish were were allowed to do more, and that the higher-ups would return Robin Sage to the make or break status that it once was, instead of just the mere formality it has become today.


OK Stop Posting and Re-Read your welcome e-mail and Post the Intro you should have done 3 Post ago.

Richard
11-10-2008, 21:10
Interesting article.

Richard

hermitcrab
11-14-2008, 23:05
...and that the higher-ups would return Robin Sage to the make or break status that it once was, instead of just the mere formality it has become today.

Having just finished the last Sage class to go through a couple weeks ago. It seems as though it is no longer a formality. I believe we had nearly 30 dudes get sent to the board for recycle or relief. The 18E's were decimated out there.

Dozer523
11-15-2008, 07:07
"A Special Forces soldier who makes it to the final exercise, known as Robin Sage, has come a long way, said Command Sgt. Maj. Terry Peters. “He has only aged one year, but has really aged light years,” said Peters, the top enlisted soldier in the 1st Battalion of the 1st Special Warfare Training Group. “He now understands the subtle difference he can make. That is a maturity you just can’t get in any classroom.”

A year is 365 days and a light year is a distance -- how far light, cruising at 186,000 mile per SECOND, travels in a year. (whew). It might not be gramaticly correct but it is true. The Q course is about how far you go not how long it takes.

Do they still do the Civil Action Project at the end? We built a pole barn on an out of the way farm. I learned that you nail through the top ridge of corragated sheeting not the trough, that it is really hard to hold a nail steady on the curved top, that when I'm tired enough I'll hear the hammer hit my thumb rather then feel it. And, when your teammate's hammer slides off the roof he'll probably follow it because he fell asleep! After we were done the extended family of this G arrived and covered two picnic tables with a Thanksgivng feast -- then they stood back! It was so great! (In my day Robin Sage was based on a point system. It wasn't hard to keep a rough tally of your standing) All but two of us had "tabbed out" on points before the final mission so this meal was our Victory Dinner. It was the first time I ever tasted wild turkey -- the bird kind. (That last mission might have looked like an ambush but it was really about making sure those last two graduated. It became the academic equavalant of "taking a bullet" for them.) Is there a RS "NSTIW" story thread?

BMT (RIP)
11-15-2008, 07:39
What caused so many 18E's to fail?? :confused:

BMT

ZonieDiver
11-15-2008, 11:00
What caused so many 18E's to fail?? :confused:

BMT

Granted that this was lonnnnng ago, but during Robin Sage our commo guys were having trouble communicating. It was March, and very cold. A "commo committee" guy came out, threw a coil of commo wire out on the ground as the antenna, and communicated like crazy. He told our guys they were trying to communicate halfway around the world when the base was actually "around the corner". Probably not germane to this instance.

hermitcrab
11-15-2008, 11:12
What caused so many 18E's to fail?? :confused:

BMT

Bottom line is that they didn't know their jobs... There was a lot of pressure put on us out there as far as commo goes. I don't know the whole story but there was a team that didn't make comms back to the base station for 3 days or something ridiculous. As far as the rest goes... they just didn't have it together. I think only like 40 or 50% of the echos out there made it through.

Dozer523
11-15-2008, 12:45
Granted that this was lonnnnng ago, but during Robin Sage our commo guys were having trouble communicating. It was March, and very cold. A "commo committee" guy came out, threw a coil of commo wire out on the ground as the antenna, and communicated like crazy. He told our guys they were trying to communicate halfway around the world when the base was actually "around the corner". Probably not germane to this instance.

Sounds German to me! Well, maybe the base station the 18E have to reach ought to be "halfway around the world" or at least far away". Like Lewis. Since we train them to transmit a long, long way why not test them on it too? I read that in the olden days of WWII they set up huge antenna farms in England to catch the Morse sent via very directional antennas. Commo Guys? I don't know nothing about this magic stuff.

SF_BHT
11-15-2008, 12:50
Bottom line is that they didn't know their jobs... There was a lot of pressure put on us out there as far as commo goes. I don't know the whole story but there was a team that didn't make comms back to the base station for 3 days or something ridiculous. As far as the rest goes... they just didn't have it together. I think only like 40 or 50% of the echos out there made it through.

I can tell you this is nothing new. My class had the same problem and we just did not graduate that many for our class. After the Commo Cmte came out and did the same they just kept on. It was a fact of , New 05B's, stress of having to do all the task on a team not just commo, and not knowing their job as well as they thought. The Base station was on Bragg, 7th SFG BOP and as you mentioned they were shooting over them. HF is a lot easier in long distance than close.

They did a 2 week retrain and put most of them in the next Phase II class. I think most made it but they were not happy having to do all of Phase II again.
That was Life back then as now. You know that every a team goes out for training or for real it is a COMEX..... That is just the way the Command makes it.

colmurph
11-16-2008, 21:40
Jesus! I must be old. I remember when it was called Cherokee Trail and then Gobblers Woods. Samo-Samo though, and it was really FUN! The locals in Pineland were really super! We had a farmer with an air strip and a Piper Cub who took us up for recon flights. All we had to pay him for his trouble was a few cases of C's. He was extatic! Probably got cases of C-rats from all the following classes too. Wish I had a nickle for every still I found out there in Pineland.

Rbell33wp
03-04-2009, 16:27
What's up guys,

Does anyone have an idea on how I can reach the civilian G-Chiefs who work on Robin Sage.

When I took part in Robin Sage he had the best stories, but I promptly lost his contact info. Any ideas?

The Reaper
03-04-2009, 16:33
What's up guys,

Does anyone have an idea on how I can reach the civilian G-Chiefs who work on Robin Sage.

When I took part in Robin Sage he had the best stories, but I promptly lost his contact info. Any ideas?

This is not friendfinder.com.

Please stop posting in multiple forums looking for the same thing.

We don't do that here.

TR

DiverMedic
03-05-2009, 18:11
Was out there as a G, though with 922. Cold it was and ate some good pig and chicken and squirrel. Great experience, learned a lot and met a group of great people. Got to watch most of them in their ceremony today. If I had to do Sage as a detail or volunteer I would definately do it again.

Dozer523
03-05-2009, 20:15
Was out there as a G, though with 922. Cold it was and ate some good pig and chicken and squirrel. Great experience, learned a lot and met a group of great people. Got to watch most of them in their ceremony today. If I had to do Sage as a detail or volunteer I would definately do it again. Great. Now go to your post of 12-28-08 and do what you were directed to do in the post after yours.