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Loadsmasher
11-19-2006, 13:48
Boston Globe story that gives me another great reason to NEVER move to San Francisco.
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2006/11/19/antimilitary_bigotry/
(The Mark Twain quote at the beginning is priceless.)
Text follows:
JEFF JACOBY
Antimilitary bigotry
By Jeff Jacoby, Globe Columnist | November 19, 2006
"IN THE FIRST place God made idiots," observed Mark Twain. "This was for practice. Then he made school boards." The San Francisco Board of Education's 4-2 vote last week to abolish the Junior Reserve Officers' Training Corps program, which has been active in the city's high schools for 90 years, tends to support his view.
Why is JROTC being done away with? It isn't for lack of interest. More than 1,600 San Francisco students currently take part in its voluntary activities. "Kids love this program as if it's family," notes the San Francisco Chronicle. It is "a program that students and their parents wholeheartedly support."
Finances aren't the problem either. Operating JROTC costs the city less than $1 million out of an annual school budget of $356 million.
Nor is the problem bad management. The Chronicle reports that "no one has offered an alternative as coherent and well-run as JROTC."
Safety? Also not a problem. Though cadets have uniforms, they carry no weapons; the nonviolent programs emphasize leadership, self-discipline, citizenship, and teamwork. "This is where the kids feel safe," says one JROTC instructor, retired Army Lieutenant Colonel Robert Powell.
And the problem certainly isn't an absence of diversity. In a story on JROTC cadets at Galileo High School, Chronicle reporter Jill Tucker writes: "These students are 4-foot-10 to 6-foot-4. Athletic and disabled. College-bound and barely graduating. Gay and straight. White, black, and brown. Some leave school for large homes with ocean views. Others board buses for Bayview-Hunters Point." Several of the students come from immigrant families. At least one is autistic.
So what is the problem with JROTC? There isn't one. The problem is with the anti military bigotry of the school board majority and the "peace" activists who lobbied against the program on the grounds that San Francisco's schools should not be sullied by an association with the US armed forces.
"We don't want the military ruining our civilian institutions," said Sandra Schwartz of the American Friends Service Committee, a far-left pacifist organization that routinely condemns American foreign policy and opposes JROTC nationwide. "In a healthy democracy . . . you contain the military." Board member Dan Kelly, who voted with the majority, called JROTC "basically a branding program or a recruiting program for the military." In fact, it is nothing of the kind: The great majority of cadets do not end up serving in the military.
But then, facts tend not to matter to smug ideologues like Schwartz and Kelly, who are free to parade their contempt for the military because they live in a nation that affords such freedom even to idiots and ingrates. It never seems to occur to them that the liberties and security they take for granted would vanish in a heartbeat if it weren't for the young men and women who do choose to wear the uniform, willingly risking life and limb in service to their country.
According to The Chronicle, scores of JROTC students were on hand when the school board met last week; many of them burst into tears after the vote. Sad to say, they should probably have seen this coming. For in its trendy anti military animus, the school board was hardly breaking new ground.
In 1995, San Francisco's board of supervisors wiped the city's famous Army Street from the map, renaming it Cesar Chavez Street. Last year, city supervisors refused to allow the retired USS Iowa, a historic World War II battleship, to be docked in the Port of San Francisco. Like the school board vote, the spurning of the Iowa was intended as a slap at the US military and the foreign policy it supports. Supervisor Chris Daly explained his vote against accepting the battleship by announcing: "I am not proud of the history of the United States of America since the 1940s."
In 2005, San Francisco voters handily approved Measure I, a nonbinding ballot question dubbed "College Not Combat," which called for the exclusion of military recruiters from public high schools and colleges. The prevailing political attitude was summed up in a Weekly Standard headline: "San Francisco to Army: Drop Dead."
Not everyone feels that way. To his credit, Mayor Gavin Newsom excoriated the school board last week for "disrespecting the sacrifice of men and women in uniform" and warned that killing JROTC would only accelerate the flight of city residents from the public schools. "You think this is going to help keep families in San Francisco?" he asked. "No. It's going to hurt."
Going to? For 1,600 kids now faced with the death of a program that infused their lives with purpose, camaraderie, and self-respect, the hurt has already begun.
Jeff Jacoby's e-mail address is jacoby@globe.com.
x SF med
11-19-2006, 17:40
Holy Shit! The left-wing commie pinko, lets hand the country over to phrance contingent seems to be winning in San Francisco.
"We don't want the military ruining our civilian institutions," said Sandra Schwartz of the American Friends Service Committee, a far-left pacifist organization that routinely condemns American foreign policy and opposes JROTC nationwide.
Oh you mean the same Military that protects those civilian institutions and our entire Country and her interests? :rolleyes:
Monsoon65
11-19-2006, 18:15
Oh you mean the same Military that protects those civilian institutions and our entire Country and her interests? :rolleyes:
It's no use. You can talk to these people until you're blue in the face and they aren't going to listen. They have their own ideas about the military and government, not knowing they'll be the first put up against the wall after an invasion.
True that. It's like hitting your head against the garage door over and over and over...all you get is a headache.
"We don't want the military ruining our civilian institutions," said Sandra Schwartz of the American Friends Service Committee, a far-left pacifist organization that routinely condemns American foreign policy and opposes JROTC nationwide. "In a healthy democracy . . . you contain the military." Board member Dan Kelly, who voted with the majority, called JROTC "basically a branding program or a recruiting program for the military." In fact, it is nothing of the kind: The great majority of cadets do not end up serving in the military.
I think Sandra Schwartz is in the minority.
If she is of the opinion that the military "ruins" civilian institutions, why not also ban gay and lesbian associations on campus in high schools and universities. I am of the opinion these sorts of associations ruins civilian institutions and encourages many unacceptable practices, if we are to base our moral values on the bible and quran.
If the JROTC is a "branding" of sorts for the military to recruit young men and women, couldnt you say the same about some frat houses on campus? Dont some frat houses also encourage immoral activities and immoral development of characters and personal development?
incommin
11-20-2006, 06:29
Could we stop sending tax dollars there, move all military related activities away, and then give it (CA) back to Mexico?
Jim
then give it (CA) back to Mexico
Let's make that Northern California. Up North is beautiful, but the people are from another planet. I'm convinced part of it's due to all the dot com and high tech money. They believe the old rules don't apply anymore.
Anyway, give me a heads up before you give the entire state back. I need time to pack my dogs. :D
Simple Simon
11-20-2006, 07:30
My cousin currently resides in San Fran and he confirms the blantant anti- military sentiments of the majority of the city. Sad really, but I've come to expect nothing less from that city. Bunch of heathens and hippies left over from the 60's run the place.
Makes me sad to think I was born and raised in San Francisco. In high school, I'd listen to the drill teams/marching squads practice outside during Math class and thought it would be cool to be out there with them.
Both my parents worked for the San Francisco Unified School District, my old man for 40+ years, and it makes me sick to know the depth of hatred the School Board has toward the military. I guess all I can say is, "Fuck 'Em all, if that's how they feel." I'm on my way to the Q anyway...
soldierdoc_2005
11-20-2006, 17:10
The PRC (Peoples Republic of California)!
We gotta get better with our socio-political-militaristic coup attempts. :p
:mad: Those of you suggesting we give California back to Mexico can shove up your you know what. Many times on the board people will criticise others for running off at the mouth without checking facts. :mad:
Here is something you Non-Californians can chew on, if you had a state of the length of California on the East Coast, it would strech from Jacksonville, Florida all the way to New Jersey. You gonna tell me that the people in Jacksonville, Florida are the same as the people in New Jersey? Its the same in California.
Please go to the USA today map of Red/Blue States by county, take a look at California. How many red counties vs. blue counties are there? Is it possible that if you had a state on the East Coast the same size as ours you would be held hostage to your liberal masters in the big cities just as we are, we could call your state "Maryland." We could then say, "Oh, those liberal Marylanders!" lumping those of you in North Carolina and Georgia with those in Boston as being one and the same.
And as far as those people in "Northern California." What exactly is Northern California to you? Is it San Fransicko? A city about 336 miles from the Northern border? California is about 770 miles long and 250 miles wide. Its not all beaches and freeways and dope smoking hippies. Its 14K foot high mountain ranges covered in snow, its huge cattle ranches and vast uninhabited lands too. Or are you so simple that you believe everything you see on TV and hear in the news? After all the media does such a good job of telling it like it is in the war on terror, certainly they can accurately depict California?
Most of these liberals we have, especially the more notorious ones, are not Californians by birth, they're from your neck of the woods. Pelosi is a product of some political family back east. Over the last 30 years we've been inundated with New York Liberals, and illegal aliens the Gov't is unwilling to do anything about. If there was a way we could send them back, God hasn't allowed us to yet.
Please take a look at the red state by counties map! Those of us Northern Californians really take offence to being lumped into the same group of people as those in San Franfreako and Bezerkly - which are far south of us. Learn some California geography before you go lumping us all in the same pot.
My take on California is this. Those Men of yesteryear with enough balls, fortitude and guts to try and leave the confines of an established civilized country out east, gathered up their families and crossed a country full of indians, hard weather and rough ground. Many perished along the way, those hearty souls who actually made it here, built California while your ancestors stayed in their comfortable abodes in the cities and bergs out east, earning dividens speculating about the success or failure of the hearty adventurous agrarian souls that would build California. Now that we are the 7th largest economy in the WORLD, where would you be without us? You backwards effeminate easterners can put that in your pipe and smoke it. We Californians don't go on blustering about our greatness, we don't boast of our accomplishments, our wealth, etc. Perhaps there is a futile secret hope among whats left of us natives that if we remain quiet, no more of your rejects will inhabit our cities or teach at our universities.
San Francisco was once a great city. My Grandfather grew up there, the stories he told us, the way he loved that city, my great grandparents are buried there. It was always an exciting place, especially watching the 4th of July fireworks over the bay - freezing my butt off in July, or growing up watching the Niners playing at the 'Stick eventually stacking up superbowl trophies. Warm October days. Its too bad that its become what it is today. A great shame. This mold, or pox on the city wasn't born here. You've got us all wrong. California Republic. http://www.bearflagleague.com/ http://www.californiaconservative.org/ http://www.californiaconservative.org/liberals/who-is-against-the-rotc-vote/
"As California goes, So goes the nation."
If you think you can look at us and say that we've got problems, be ready because our problems will soon be your problems, it happens in California first and the rest of you soon follow suit. Here are some things to think about:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1722561/posts
http://www.raisingkaine.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=222
x SF med
11-20-2006, 21:48
NG-
Whoa, buddy. The majority of the news/ press coming out of California reinforces the views of those of us who do not live in the State. As a rebuttal - NY State for the most part is less densely populated than NC... but what do you hear about? NYC and its immediate environs - another bit of odd news, it's closer to drive to Montreal from NYC than it is to drive to Buffalo. The same thing you say about CA is true of NY - by area it's not much smaller than CA, but most of the news comes out of the NYC area...
Have you been personally attacked by any members of the board? I don't think so. Have the policies of the ruling minority of the densely packed urban areas of your state been attacked, yes, for good reason. CA has some of the most restrictive laws on businesses, some of the highest taxes, and some of the most vocal liberals in the nation. ther has been no adhominem attack, but an attack on the policies of the goernment of the state, and inane, psycobabbling politicians putting absurd policies into place.
You accuse us of shipping you our liberal noisemakers, our rejects (I think that's your term). I believe your vocal liberals from further south in the state attract them, as does the promise of the balmy weather from San Francisco south. the notoriously liberal communities in the state attract those who are looking for the 'good life', the promise of beautiful women, welfare, and the ability to espouse non-traditional ideologies. The hollywood hype has attracted them, the Bezerkley crowd, the San Francisco free love ideas of the 60's still attract the crazies.
The fact that there is a strong economy is going to attract those greedy and morally weak individuals you blame on the East Coast. The political climate in CA attracts them, the ability to influence other weak people attracts them - it happens in NY too, we got Shrillary didn't we? NJ got Menendez, right? CT has Lieberman.
We on this board attack the idiocy of these people and states - suck it up, get over it, grow a pair. If the liberal policies bother you, do something to change them - don't blame them on states 2000 miles away.
A silent majority allowed the Nazis to take power, allowed the soviets to take power, allowed the Spanish and Italian Fascists to take power. Oh, yeah - in all of those cases, part of the ruling minority were imported from other places, shot off their big mouths and convinced people to follow them.
I live in a politically screwed up state too, I laugh at the idiots, and cry into my beer over their policies too. But I vote to change things.
soldierdoc_2005
11-20-2006, 22:16
I don't wish to pile onont you NG, especially since x_sf_med did a pretty good job replying, but the effects of NoCal DO reach beyond the Limo-liberals and the small are known as San Francisco.
There is a little thing called the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals (Federal Court) that is located in San Francisco. The 9th Circuit has the dubious honor of being the most overturned Circuit Court by the Supreme Court of any in the Nation.
See the results here:
http://www.centerforindividualfreedom.org/education/supreme_court_wary_of_9th.htm
The 9th covers the following States:
CA, AZ, NV, OR, ID, WA, and MT.
Map here:
http://www.uscourts.gov/courtlinks/
In land mass alone, that looks to be about 33% of the lower 48. So, the effect of the not-so-isolated San Francisco mentality is felt over quite a huge area via the 9th. Remember too, that vastly more cases are settled at the appelate court level than the Supreme Court, as the Supreme Court chooses the cases it takes on.
As a resident of AZ, I shudder everytime the 9th hands down another of its "let's take God out of the Pledge of Allegiance" rulings.
big state...lotta weird laws...but NG is right...i've spent quite a bit of time in the Northern part of the state surveying of late...turning a big cattle ranch in Alturas into a not-so big cattle ranch (it's not being subdivided, but the majority of it is being sold with the owner keeping a small 200 acre piece for himself...)
i spend a good deal of time working around Susanville, go to SFA Chapter meetings in Redding and work with my company's Chico office a good deal...that part of the state seems okay...i'd say anything half an hour north of I80 is part of the US...anything south of I80 but east of the Sierra Crest that doesn't have a nearby ski resort is okay...anything near Lake Tahoe is bizarre and i avoid the rest of the state like the plague...
and time spent in Stockton is not counted against your life if you leave immediately...
don't get me started on Lodi...
Didn't they cancel Fleet Week there as well a few years back? One of the coolest things I ever saw was a Blue Angels fighter pilot flying his F/A-18 Hornet UNDERNEATH the Golden Gate Bridge during Fleet Week.
The folks in San Fran will regain their faith in the military the first time a major attack takes place within 300 miles of the city. Even they are smart enough to know that (Quoting my father-in-law), "When our nation's shores are threatened, you don't call a hippie." Of course they will still be idiots with no moral compass, but they will then become terrified idiots with no moral compass. They will still think that we soldiers are all a bunch of gun crazed hillbillies with no education; but they'll love us compared to the alternative. The Taliban sure won't put up with the stuff they pull in that city if they ever get anything to say about it!
Steve, we'll have to have a beer next time you're in town... I did some work in Cedarville back in '97. Dropped a water main from one end of town to the other. Now that is a remote place, I guess there's a reason they call it surprise valley.
Steve, we'll have to have a beer next time you're in town... right now, it looks like i'm going to have to go back to Alturas when the weather calms down to replace some aerial photo panels...not sure when i'm going to get back to Redding...the boss keeps threatening to send me to Chico, but i'll give you a heads up when i'm out that way again...
RE: 9th Circuit Court of appeals and those CALIFORNIA LIBERALS
You got me thinking, how many of those 9th circuit folks are from California. Here is a partial list, with the Californians occupying the bottom portion. I think these FACTS will properly illustrate, the liberals from other parts of the country being mislabled as Californians by the rest of you. There is plenty of blame to go around. Especially within the 9th circuit court. I didn't have time to finish this, I think there are 6 or 7 more Californians I need to add at the bottom. But the preponderance of Judges from elsewhere is a good snap shot of what I am talking about.
Chief Justice: Mary M. Schroeder born in Boulder, Colorado) She received her BA from Swarthmore in 1962 and her JD from the University of Chicago law clerk at the Arizona Supreme Court in 1970. She joined the law firm of Lewis & Roca in Phoenix, Arizona, President Jimmy Carter and appointed to the Ninth Circuit (a Georgian).
Senior Judge: James Robert Browning Great Falls, Montana) he has served 44 years on the court—the longest tenure in that court's history—and published over 1,000 appellate decisions. Browning was raised in Belt, Montana, where he attended public school. Browning received his undergraduate degree from Montana State University in 1938, and an LL.B. from Montana University Law School in 1941, Antitrust Division of the United States Department of Justice in Denver, Colorado. In 1943, he entered the United States Army as a private during World War II. He spent three years in the Pacific Theatre in military intelligence, and earned a Bronze Star Medal and the rank of first lieutenant. He served in the Washington, D.C. Antitrust Division office until 1948, when he moved to the Seattle office to serve as northwest regional chief. Browning was the last Clerk of the Supreme Court to hold the Bible at a presidential inauguration, for President John F. Kennedy. On September 6, 1961, President Kennedy nominated Browning to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, Browning served as chief judge of that court from 1976 until 1988. In 2001, the Montana State Bar Association gave Browning its highest honor, the Jameson Award. He is the last circuit judge remaining from the Kennedy Administration.
Senior Judge: Alfred Theodore Goodwin, Born 1923 in Bellingham, WA Nominated by Richard M. Nixon on September 22, 1969, Judge, U. S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit. Education: University of Oregon, B.A., 1947 University of Oregon Law School, J.D., 1951
Senior Judge: Joseph T. Sneed Appointed by: President Nixon, 1973
Born: July 21, 1920 in Calvert, Texas BBA, Southwestern University 1941; LLB, University of Texas 1947
Senior Judge: Procter Hug, Jr. Appointed by: President Carter, 1977
Born: March 11, 1931 in Reno, Nevada Education: BS, University of Nevada 1953
Senior Judge: Otto R. Skopil, Jr. Appointed by: President Carter, 1979
Born: June 3, 1919 in Portland, Oregon Education: BA, Willamette University 1941; LLB, Willamette University 1946
Senior Judge: Betty Binns Fletcher,Tacoma, WA Nominated by Jimmy Carter on July 12, 1979, Education: Stanford University, B.A., 1943
University of Washington School of Law, LL.B., 1956 Professional Career:Private practice, Seattle, Washington, 1956-1979
Senior Judge: Joseph Jerome Farris, Birmingham, AL Nominated by Jimmy Carter on July 12, 1979, Education: Morehouse College, B.S., 1951 Atlanta University, M.S.W., 1955 University of Washington, J.D., 1958
Senior Judge: Warren J. Ferguson Appointed by: President Carter, 1979 Eureka, Nevada Education: University of Nevada-Reno (1942)
Senior Judge William C. Canby, Jr. Appointed by: President Carter, 1980 St. Paul, Minnesota Education: AB, Yale, University of Minnesota
Senior Judge Robert Boochever Appointed by: President Carter, 1980 Born: New York, New York Education: BA, Cornell; LLB, Cornell
Circuit Judge Stephen Reinhardt Appointed by: President Carter, 1980 New York, New York Education: Pomona College; JD, Yale
Circuit Judge: Robert R. Beezer Seattle, WA Appointed by Ronald Reagan on March 2, 1984, Education: University of Virginia, B.A., University of Virginia School of Law, LL.B.,
Milan Dale Smith, Jr. - Oregonian
Carlos T. Bea - San Sebastian, Spain, Stanford
Richard R. Clifton - Framingham, Massachusetts, Princeton/Yale Law
Johnnie B. Rawlinson - North Carolina, North Carolina A&T State University
Marsha S. Berzon - Cincinnati, Ohio. BA, Radcliffe
Richard A. Paez - Salt Lake City, UT. BYU
Ronald M. Gould - St. Louis, MO, Univ. of Pennsylvania
William A. Fletcher - Philadelphia, PA, Harvard/Oxford
M. Margaret McKeown - Casper, Wyoming, University of Wyoming/Georgetown 1975
Susan P. Graber - Oklahoma City, OK, BA, Wellesley/Yale
Barry G. Silverman - NYC, Arizona State U.
Sidney R. Thomas - Bozeman, Montana, Montana State/Univ. of Montana
Michael Daly Hawkins - Winslow, Arizona, Arizona State U.
Andrew J. Kleinfeld - New York, NY, Wesleyan University/Harvard
Thomas G. Nelson - Idaho Falls, ID,. University of Idaho
Pamela Ann Rymer - Knoxville, TN, Vassar College
Californians: Consuelo M. Callahan, Jay S. Bybee, Richard C. Tallman, Raymond C. Fisher, Kim McLane Wardlaw, A. Wallace Tashima, 6 or 7 more...
Roughly 13 Californians vs. 29 or more from the rest of you.
NG, the bottom line is that no matter if they're native or not, the minority of the population of CA is speaking for the entire state. They are the face of CA that everyone sees, and they are the ones making the laws under which all CA citizens live. It doesn't really matter where they're originally from, or if they truly represent the entirety of the state; until the people take action to change things, CA is and will remain one of the biggest socialist nanny-states in the US, and will deserve every bit of the reputation it is given.
It's no use. You can talk to these people until you're blue in the face and they aren't going to listen. They have their own ideas about the military and government, not knowing they'll be the first put up against the wall after an invasion.
Yep exactally and those types of plp are the reason that democracy is becoming hard to sustain... and like u said they'll be the first ones killed... are they really that stupid :confused: :confused: fricken hippies....
82ndtrooper
09-01-2007, 22:13
:mad: Those of you suggesting we give California back to Mexico can shove up your you know what. Many times on the board people will criticise others for running off at the mouth without checking facts. :mad:
Here is something you Non-Californians can chew on, if you had a state of the length of California on the East Coast, it would strech from Jacksonville, Florida all the way to New Jersey. You gonna tell me that the people in Jacksonville, Florida are the same as the people in New Jersey? Its the same in California.
Please go to the USA today map of Red/Blue States by county, take a look at California. How many red counties vs. blue counties are there? Is it possible that if you had a state on the East Coast the same size as ours you would be held hostage to your liberal masters in the big cities just as we are, we could call your state "Maryland." We could then say, "Oh, those liberal Marylanders!" lumping those of you in North Carolina and Georgia with those in Boston as being one and the same.
And as far as those people in "Northern California." What exactly is Northern California to you? Is it San Fransicko? A city about 336 miles from the Northern border? California is about 770 miles long and 250 miles wide. Its not all beaches and freeways and dope smoking hippies. Its 14K foot high mountain ranges covered in snow, its huge cattle ranches and vast uninhabited lands too. Or are you so simple that you believe everything you see on TV and hear in the news? After all the media does such a good job of telling it like it is in the war on terror, certainly they can accurately depict California?
Most of these liberals we have, especially the more notorious ones, are not Californians by birth, they're from your neck of the woods. Pelosi is a product of some political family back east. Over the last 30 years we've been inundated with New York Liberals, and illegal aliens the Gov't is unwilling to do anything about. If there was a way we could send them back, God hasn't allowed us to yet.
Please take a look at the red state by counties map! Those of us Northern Californians really take offence to being lumped into the same group of people as those in San Franfreako and Bezerkly - which are far south of us. Learn some California geography before you go lumping us all in the same pot.
My take on California is this. Those Men of yesteryear with enough balls, fortitude and guts to try and leave the confines of an established civilized country out east, gathered up their families and crossed a country full of indians, hard weather and rough ground. Many perished along the way, those hearty souls who actually made it here, built California while your ancestors stayed in their comfortable abodes in the cities and bergs out east, earning dividens speculating about the success or failure of the hearty adventurous agrarian souls that would build California. Now that we are the 7th largest economy in the WORLD, where would you be without us? You backwards effeminate easterners can put that in your pipe and smoke it. We Californians don't go on blustering about our greatness, we don't boast of our accomplishments, our wealth, etc. Perhaps there is a futile secret hope among whats left of us natives that if we remain quiet, no more of your rejects will inhabit our cities or teach at our universities.
San Francisco was once a great city. My Grandfather grew up there, the stories he told us, the way he loved that city, my great grandparents are buried there. It was always an exciting place, especially watching the 4th of July fireworks over the bay - freezing my butt off in July, or growing up watching the Niners playing at the 'Stick eventually stacking up superbowl trophies. Warm October days. Its too bad that its become what it is today. A great shame. This mold, or pox on the city wasn't born here. You've got us all wrong. California Republic. http://www.bearflagleague.com/ http://www.californiaconservative.org/ http://www.californiaconservative.org/liberals/who-is-against-the-rotc-vote/
"As California goes, So goes the nation."
If you think you can look at us and say that we've got problems, be ready because our problems will soon be your problems, it happens in California first and the rest of you soon follow suit. Here are some things to think about:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1722561/posts
http://www.raisingkaine.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=222
Great post !
I admire anyone that is willing to stand out in this crowd here at PS.COM. However, it seems, based on my simple obersvations and reading, that California is squarly becoming the model for "What not to do" in a state legislative body. Oh, by the way, we're entitled to our opinion on this board last I checked, but generally not without withstanding some degree of criticisim. I wont be waving the "white flag" emoticon just yet.
There's an old joke: "All the weirdo's seem to roll down hill to southern California" The 9th district is filled with anti Americans, gays, and gun grabber legislaters that blame all thier violence, drugs, and gang acivities on the 2nd Amendment. Nothing like taking your children to the San Fransico's "Gay Parade" each year. :rolleyes: You have a valid point in the reference to the size of the state and that of Florida to Hew Hampshire. You've got no argument from me there, however Florida, SC, NC, VA, WVA, all have their own blend of "Blue and Red" Maybe California should be broken up into several states and have their own individual legislative body to better represent their colors.
"What is morality without immorality" I dont who made that statement, but it strikes me as appropriate when see that San Fransico seems to be the tail wagging the dog, not only in California, but slowly gaining ground into the house and senate. Does Nancy Pelosi ring a bell ? Dianne Fienstien ?
Is it immoral to allow gay's to control the city with their pity party's and parades ? Why does Dianne Feinstien hold one of only 12 carry concealed permits when she is the biggest proponent behind legislative action to ban handguns and rifles in the city of San Fransico ? But, she's well placed in Washington. That seems to be all that counts.
As for the JROTC program. This strikes me as just another degradation of the democracy and anti American patriotism that seems to stem from the 9th District of California. With so many illegals coming from Mexico from the southern border is it any wonder that the word "Patriotism" may just be one word that those seeking to speaking the language seem to miss in their language class ? That's not you, I understand fully.
Since we're on the topic I'd like to add that every single liberal has spoken out for Larry Craigs resignation. That's actually funny coming from those that would embrace legalization of Gay Marriage and allow them to have their own parades as a banner of "social tolerance" But, noooooooooo, Larry Craig is now a "Homo" "shit pusher" and other terms for gay men. Where's the ACLU now ? I don't have to tell you or others here that if that were a Democrat, we'd had never had the liberal MSM foaming at the mouth to cover that story. If it were a democrat from California, they'd either have to reset their views on homosexuality or just shut the fuck the up !!
Ok, good, that's off my chest. .02
Many Californians would echo your sentiments to split up the state. There is even a long running movement to make a new state in my area, the end result would be the only red state on the west coast.. See State of Jefferson Map here: http://www.jeffersonstate.com/animatedgraphic.html
There is also going to be a referendum on the ballot in June here in California that would put an end to the socialist stranglehold on our votes... This is from CBS News...
"But the California proposal — dubbed the Presidential Election Reform Act — wants to split up that block of electoral votes and award them to the winning candidate in each of the state's congressional districts. It would, if approved by voters next year ahead of the November 2008 presidential race, in effect create individual races in each of California's 53 electoral districts.
Democratic officials plan to announce the formation of a political committee Thursday to fight the measure.
"Democrats would lose 20 electoral votes and very likely the presidency if California abandons the winner-take-all system while large Republican states like Florida and Texas do not," hedge fund manager Tom Steyer, who will head the new committee, said in a statement. That is a number equal to winning Ohio, another key election state.
Nineteen of California's 53 congressional districts are represented by Republicans. President Bush carried 22 districts in 2004, while losing the statewide vote by double digits
There are 58 counties in California, 35 voted Bush.
I think the electoral reform will probably pass, but then the slavemasters in the California DNC will sue California and have the law overturned in court, like they did with California Proposition 187 which was a 1994 ballot initiative designed to deny illegal immigrants social services, health care, and public education, see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_187_(1994)
Hopefully, GOP fundraisers will raise enough cash to fight the socialists on this, it means winning 20 more electoral votes, the equivalent of Florida, no?
dmgedgoods
09-05-2007, 22:53
big state...lotta weird laws...but NG is right...i've spent quite a bit of time in the Northern part of the state surveying of late...turning a big cattle ranch in Alturas into a not-so big cattle ranch (it's not being subdivided, but the majority of it is being sold with the owner keeping a small 200 acre piece for himself...)
i spend a good deal of time working around Susanville, go to SFA Chapter meetings in Redding and work with my company's Chico office a good deal...that part of the state seems okay...i'd say anything half an hour north of I80 is part of the US...anything south of I80 but east of the Sierra Crest that doesn't have a nearby ski resort is okay...anything near Lake Tahoe is bizarre and i avoid the rest of the state like the plague...
and time spent in Stockton is not counted against your life if you leave immediately...
don't get me started on Lodi...
Truer words have never been spoken about this crazy state.
I live on the California/Kalifornistan border, and I honestly cannot wait for my departure back towards to the south of the country. Way too many trees being hugged.
McD
But then, facts tend not to matter to smug ideologues like Schwartz and Kelly, who are free to parade their contempt for the military because they live in a nation that affords such freedom even to idiots and ingrates. It never seems to occur to them that the liberties and security they take for granted would vanish in a heartbeat if it weren't for the young men and women who do choose to wear the uniform, willingly risking life and limb in service to their country.Mr. Jacoby's effort to paint objection to the militarization of American society as unique flaw of contemporary American liberalism may make for exhilarating political commentary but it certainly does not display much familiarity with American history. Ambivalence bordering on hostility towards the armed forces is nothing new. The dynamic has shaped not only civil military relations but also the conduct of operations during war from the early national period to the present day.
Mr. Jacoby recently wrote (http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2011/06/19/dont_know_much_about_history/):Historically illiterate American kids typically grow up to be historically illiterate American adults. And Americans’ ignorance of history is a familiar tale.I wonder where op-ed columnists fit into his cause / effect matrix?
Texas_Shooter
07-10-2011, 23:24
I live in the Houston area. Graduated high school a little over two years. The high school and the rest of the high schools in my school districts all have JROTC programs. My high school is the northern most high school in the district. If you go ten miles north and you will find two high schools and the rest of those school districts to be very anti-military. One of the NG Recruiters that I was talking to said they always had a hard time getting into those schools even to setup a table at lunch time to talk to kids. Head principal, staff, and teachers very combative when anybody showed up in a uniform. But then you look at the Houston ISD and they have an Army JROTC at almost all of their schools.
IMO though the school just to the north of me is like that because of the parents. So the administrators want to please the parents. They think that if their child joins the JROTC program that the military will come whisk them off their feet and send them to A-Stan. Sheer ignorance IMO.
FWIW the ban was overturned years ago, and the city voted to further extend JROTC programs last month. You see these young SF JROTC cadets at the Presidio Memorial Day services every year, they appear very disciplined and respectful relative to youth in general. San Francisco can be annoyingly liberal and PC in many areas, local politicians, and especially the school boards are as reactionary and ignorant as politicos in many cities. Two things strike me about this topic.
The first, is the ignorance of a great many pseudo-liberals in the Bay Area. These are people who have no concept of how Hobbesian the world can be, how lucky they are to live in a free country, and who pays the price for these freedoms. Instead the false perception the military is a negative influence or something from which to save youth, seems proof many of these people have not thought things through.
The second, is common perceptions of California from rural states. There are plenty of things wrong with the Golden State. The fervor however directed towards California in general, and specifically San Francisco, at times seems a panacea for rural venting.
Take gun control in major cities for example, having lived in all three cities, it is much easier to get a gun in SF, than NYC or Chicago.
A LEO I met in Georgia, was shocked to hear I lived in San Francisco, apparently deciding after a healthy dose of initial skepticism, I was too normal to be from there. He then asked, " Why would you ever live there?"
I told him it's wacky at times, but NorCal is great country with tons of things to do, skiiing, fishing, wine country. I asked if he had ever been there? He replied " God no, and it can't be any prettier than here." With respect to the hills north of Atlanta which is nice country, I suggested he consider seeing for himself. He replied he would be wary of the people there. I told him you do see some weirdos, but it's just like any big city, it's not like there is a tranny behind every lamp post waiting to ambush the ususpecting. He didn't seem convinced.
So it goes...