Advise on a gun purchase

[Kyobanim]

I'm thinking about buying this: Ruger Mini 14 $500.
W/ 2.5 x 10 x 50 Simmons As New Condition 12-360

It's in a gun store and is 'slightly' used according to the shop. Question is, I've never owned a mini-14 and I'm not sure what to look out for in a used one. It's just for target shooting though I might get back into the 3 gun meets if I can get back in shape.

I would prefer to get a AR15 but that's just a little out of my range for now.

If the rifle is in good shape is this a good deal? and what constitutes good shape?

[Smokin Joe]

Which model Mini 14 is it? ranch or standard? (if it has scope mounts its a ranch). stainless or blued?

Mini-14's are good ranch rifles and thats about it. They should not be considered a "tactical" rifle (although in a pinch they will do the trick).

Also with that scope you will dislodge a lense or crack some part on it after about 200-300 rounds. I speak from experience I have tried all kinds of scopes on my mini-14 Trashco (tasco), Burris, and a Simons they have all cracked or broken in on fashion or another while on my mini. One of the only scopes that can handle the mini-14 is a Leupold, that is a hole lot of money to spend on that grade of rifle.

If I were you I would buy an AR if you can't afford the whole rifle buy it in parts and build your own. You will learn more about your rifle then you will ever care to know.

Just my .02 cents

[Team Sergeant]

Originally posted by Kyobanim
I'm thinking about buying this: Ruger Mini 14 $500.
W/ 2.5 x 10 x 50 Simmons As New Condition 12-360

It's in a gun store and is 'slightly' used according to the shop. Question is, I've never owned a mini-14 and I'm not sure what to look out for in a used one. It's just for target shooting though I might get back into the 3 gun meets if I can get back in shape.

I would prefer to get a AR15 but that's just a little out of my range for now.

If the rifle is in good shape is this a good deal? and what constitutes good shape?

You can pick up a brand new Colt H-Bar AR-15 for $800. If you are thinking about the matches I'd spend the few extra dollars and pick up the Colt.

[The Reaper]

Concur.

The Ruger is a good carbine, but is normally a 3 moa rifle. The optics are overkill.

I would hold out for a good AR15 clone, like Armalite, Bushmaster, or Rock River.

Go to Auction Arms or Gunbroker.com or the printed "Gunlist" and check real world prices.

Good luck.

TR

[Kyobanim]

Thanks all for the advise.

Since it looks like the assault rifle ban is going to sunset, what do you think the chances are that the prices will come down?

[The Reaper]

Originally posted by Kyobanim
Thanks all for the advise.

Since it looks like the assault rifle ban is going to sunset, what do you think the chances are that the prices will come down?

IF it does not get renewed, or continued by Executive Order,

1) then mag prices should drop quickly, and scarcity for US made mags should go away

2) guns affected by the AWB would have pre-ban features restored, but should not change prices much as they still cost roughly the same price to manufacture.

You can already find deals on post and pre-bans if you shop, but I would wait and get one with the post-post ban features.

HTH.

TR

[Sacamuelas]

If it sunsets, IMO, the cost of the new production rifles you are talking about won't come down much. THey will just come with the "pre-ban" configuration again. The savings will be in the high capacity magzines and folding stock catagories.

The prices of guns that will be affected are the current "used pre-ban" configuration guns that are currently limited in quantity therefore more highly priced.

Of course, I could be wrong... after all I thought NDD was "straight" until I saw him in a spider man costume and posting poetry on a professional soldier site. :D


edited.. TR beat me to it. Look like I was probably right, about several things in this post. LOL

[Air.177]

The only real problem that I have with Mini-14s is the lack of quality magazines. Maybe Ruger will make Hi-caps after september, but based on their attitude toward civilian ownership of such things in the past, I doubt it. Also, $500 sound kinda high. We had an excellent condition Pre-ban Mini-14 that didn't even sell for that much.

[Sacamuelas]

Kyobanim-
All the things these gentlemen say are true about the Mini-14.. but they are still a very nice little gun to own. Have had not problem with magazines myself. I now have a m4clone too, but this is a nice little weapon.

[Sacamuelas]

One more of the little baby...

[The Reaper]

Originally posted by Sacamuelas
Kyobanim-
All the things these gentlemen say are true about the M14.. but they are still a very nice little gun to own. Have had not problem with magazines myself. I now have a m4clone too, but this is a nice little weapon.

Bling bling!!

I hear that you can get those chromed, and you already have a source for gold teefs.

It is in no way an M-14. Please do not blaspheme like that.

TR

[Sacamuelas]

TR-
LOL....:p

It is all SS, as you already new. haha Will quit diggin now!!! I like it...haha

[Team Sergeant]

Originally posted by Sacamuelas
Kyobanim-
All the things these gentlemen say are true about the M14.. but they are still a very nice little gun to own. Have had not problem with magazines myself. I now have a m4clone too, but this is a nice little weapon.

Doc you may want to stick with consults concerning teeth.....

This is an M14

[Sacamuelas]

Originally posted by Team Sergeant
Doc you may want to stick with consults concerning teeth.....

This is an M14
Damn..one friggin typo and back in the crosshairs...

Roger TS... Is it just me or are you and TR trying to not so subtly tell me something!! LOL :D Lesson learned.

[Team Sergeant]

One mistake in your world and it might make for a bad day. One mistake in my former world and someone loses their life. It's all fun and games till someone loses an eye.

TS

(Pimp gun, LOLOLOL)

[The Reaper]

Originally posted by Team Sergeant
Doc you may want to stick with consults concerning teeth.....

This is an M14

Dayum!

That IS an M-14, Sarge!

Yours?

TR

[Sacamuelas]

Kyo-
I got this practically brand new(<100 rounds) from a cop that was issued a Colt for duty. $600 bucks with three magazines and the case,etc. Bushmaster AR15.


For TR and Team Sergeant... here are my latest pimp guns.
They aren't gucci'ed up quite as much as the prior. YOu Bullies!!! LOL

my wife had to come check in to see WTF I was getting my guns out for!!! LOL She was afraid I needed backup in here. :eek:

[Team Sergeant]

Nope not mine, just a training aid for Jawbreaker. I had an M-14 back in the late 70's. Had it glass bedded and NM parts through out (a buddy in the AMTU), all done for a few bottles of good scotch. (I sold it. I know, a mistake.)

TS

[Team Sergeant]

Originally posted by Sacamuelas


For TR and Team Sergeant... YOu Bullies!!! LOL



Nice Rug. Who you calling bullies?

TS

[Smokin Joe]

Originally posted by Team Sergeant
Nice Rug. Who you calling bullies?

TS

Yup. But it sucks for a backdrop. You can barely see the Kimber.

[Sacamuelas]

Not you or TR... must have been another typo. LOL You hacking on the little rug in my office now? Whew, tough crowd tonight. I think I will go do something less dangerous for Easter Sunday night then surfing here in the weapons forum. haha

Oh thanks.. SMOKIN joe. Now you are the picture guru? HAHA I took that in haste to prove I had not been attacked by the MTV "pimp my gun" show on EVERY weapon. It was taken spur of the moment. LOL

Kyo-
good luck and I did "try" to help. LOL

[Smokin Joe]

Originally posted by Sacamuelas
Not you or TR... must have been another typo. LOL You hacking on the little rug in my office now? Whew, tough crowd tonight. I think I will go do something less dangerous for Easter Sunday night then surfing here in the weapons forum. haha

Oh thanks.. SMOKIN joe. Now you are the picture guru? HAHA I took that in haste to prove I had not been attacked by the MTV "pimp my gun" show on EVERY weapon. It was taken spur of the moment. LOL

Kyo-
good luck and I did "try" to help. LOL

:) ..I gotta give you crap about something don't I.

[Sacamuelas]

Trust me... I laugh at myself when someone(TR/TS) puts things so clearly. Just reading those posts made me feel like such a "17 yr old wanna-be D-boy" for having that gun.. I got a good laugh at myself too.

I earned the bashing on this thread, I admit it. I still like the little SS mini-14.. its a fun little hunting wild hogs on foot/plinking at targets type gun.

Joe, I would NEVER hold a grudge... I just get even. :lifter

[Smokin Joe]

Originally posted by Sacamuelas

Joe, I would NEVER hold a grudge... I just get even.


OOOOOOOOhhhhhh. I see how it is. Bring it on butter cup :lifter

[The Reaper]

Originally posted by Sacamuelas
Kyo-
I got this practically brand new(<100 rounds) from a cop that was issued a Colt for duty. $600 bucks with three magazines and the case,etc. Bushmaster AR15.


For TR and Team Sergeant... here are my latest pimp guns.
They aren't gucci'ed up quite as much as the prior. YOu Bullies!!! LOL

my wife had to come check in to see WTF I was getting my guns out for!!! LOL She was afraid I needed backup in here. :eek:

Pistol is fine. Let the hammer down, though, unless you are photographing a locked and loaded weapon.

As for the rifle, postban is not one of my favorites. You need to remove the blast enhancer from the muzzle. Non-standard mag? I don't trust them.

May I instruct you on the proper use of light, and inform you that the cute little light you have with the curly fry cord is nothing but a bullet magnet? Is that attached with a shotgun mag tube clamp? Were they all out of radiator hose clamps and Ray-O-Vacs?

Turn loose of some of that dental money and get another real flashlight like the Surefire in your pic, a 6P if necessary, with a tape switch and a 1" scope ring. Then get a RIS, RAS, ARMS SIR, or other quad rail foreend and hang your accessories there, not on the barrel.

Can provide a few other helpful tips, if needed.

TR

[Sacamuelas]

TR-
So now you WANT me to gucci up my new pimp gun? LOL

Thanks for the advice, Sir. I am currently working on an aimpoint, quad rail which free floats the barrel and a surefire weapon mounted light.

Any other things you would recommend are always accepted by this jawbreaker. :munchin

curley fries chord, hose clamps, bullet magnet... you are making me infamous in this thread... dammmit!! haha

[The Reaper]

Originally posted by Sacamuelas
.

Man of few words department?

TR

[Sacamuelas]

Taking my toys and going to bed now... good night all. LOL

Thanks for the AR tips and reality check humor too, TR.:cool:

[NousDefionsDoc]

Were they all out of radiator hose clamps and Ray-O-Vacs?

Naw Boss, not out. They're in his other trailer.

I peed my pants laughing again.

Nice weapons jawbreaker (Bubba). You now officially have the feva.

[Roguish Lawyer]

Originally posted by The Reaper
Concur.

The Ruger is a good carbine, but is normally a 3 moa rifle. The optics are overkill.

I would hold out for a good AR15 clone, like Armalite, Bushmaster, or Rock River.

Go to Auction Arms or Gunbroker.com or the printed "Gunlist" and check real world prices.

Good luck.

TR

Anyone know what is involved in getting an FFL?

[Sacamuelas]

Originally posted by Roguish Lawyer
Anyone know what is involved in getting an FFL?

FFl info for Lawyer boy (www.google.com) .... :rolleyes:

[Roguish Lawyer]

Originally posted by Sacamuelas
FFl info for Lawyer boy (www.google.com) .... :rolleyes:

I know where to look stuff up. I want to know realistically how much time and effort is required.

[The Reaper]

Originally posted by Roguish Lawyer
Anyone know what is involved in getting an FFL?

A storefront, a business license, and a tax certificate, before you get the FFL, thanks to the previous administration.

No more kitchen table gun stores.

TR

[Roguish Lawyer]

Originally posted by The Reaper
A storefront, a business license, and a tax certificate, before you get the FFL, thanks to the previous administration.

No more kitchen table gun stores.

TR

Thanks. Bummer.

[Air.177]

Originally posted by Roguish Lawyer
Thanks. Bummer.

They just won't let us have any fun will they?:)

[Bill Harsey]

Late here, Easter Bunny must not have brought some of these guys any chocolate eggs. I'll get pic of one of my latest weapons to post on this one. Bill

[The Reaper]

Mr. Harsey:

Is this the one you are looking for?

FWIW, despite the electrical tape mounting system, I think you have a better tactical light system than our favorite dentist.

TR

[Bill Harsey]

Yes Reaper! Thanks for posting my favorite slingshot rigged for night work. I shoot lead balls of varying calibers, also steel ball bearings. This is a custom built slingshot by ex SEAL (and great guy) who really does hunt with these. I'll work hard at figuring out to post my own pics here. Bill Ps, long distance target shown.

[Smokin Joe]

Hey Sac I found you a new rifle. :D

[Smokin Joe]

Or if you want to stay with the Pimp mod.

[Roguish Lawyer]

Saca's wet dream -- she's using his gangsta technique:

[Roguish Lawyer]

another:

[Roguish Lawyer]

and, of course, an animated one. Saca likes those sexy comic books, LOL:

[The Reaper]

Bling, bling!

[Roguish Lawyer]

Here you go, Saca:

http://www.powerstationpaintball.com/pimpgun.htm

[NousDefionsDoc]

Boss, you know I love you like the brother you are, but please stop!

We all agreed no porno and that pic is just offensive as hell.

I can't take it anymore. Where's that pic of the AF fighter again, need an antidote.... Aaaah! That's better. Thank goodness its "Windows" and not "Window"

[The Reaper]

I feel a Birdman Weapons thread coming on!!

Here we go with the real Original G pistol for the pimp-stylin' dentist in your 'hood!

[Roguish Lawyer]

Some bling-bling for the FOGs:

[NousDefionsDoc]

In the immortal words of Howard Dean - "Yeeeeeaaaagggghhhh!!!"

[The Reaper]

Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
Boss, you know I love you like the brother you are, but please stop!

We all agreed no porno and that pic is just offensive as hell.

I can't take it anymore. Where's that pic of the AF fighter again, need an antidote.... Aaaah! That's better. Thank goodness its "Windows" and not "Window"

Sorry, will move the rest of the Birdman pics to a new thread.

And by the way, down here is is "Winders"!

TR

[NousDefionsDoc]

http://www.flying-cloud.com/harsey-knife/apple.gif

Aaaah!

[The Reaper]

Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
http://www.flying-cloud.com/harsey-knife/apple.gif

Aaaah!

Is the MP-5 included? Holy cow, what a deal!!

[NousDefionsDoc]

Aaaah

[NousDefionsDoc]

Aaah! Aaah!

[Roguish Lawyer]

Wait -- one more:

[Sacamuelas]

edited...moved to new thread:cool:

[The Reaper]

Originally posted by Roguish Lawyer
Wait -- one more:

Okay, here goes.

Pimp stylin', BIG round!

TR

[NousDefionsDoc]

I didn't want to have to do this, but you two leave me no choice...

[NousDefionsDoc]

Colonel Kirby says:

[Roguish Lawyer]

Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
I didn't want to have to do this, but you two leave me no choice...

Didn't want to, huh? LOL

[NousDefionsDoc]

No, I didn't. The Smatchet must only be used when there is no other remedy.

Its not a very good picture and not a very good Smatchet, as Smatchets go. If I had a very good Smatchet, like a handmade one from a master, I would have a talented photographer take big beautiful pictures of it and I would share them with my friends. LOL :boohoo

[The Reaper]

Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
No, I didn't. The Smatchet must only be used when there is no other remedy.

Its not a very good picture and not a very good Smatchet, as Smatchets go. If I had a very good Smatchet, like a handmade one from a master, I would have a talented photographer take big beautiful pictures of it and I would share them with my friends. LOL :boohoo

You are truly a munificent and benevolent friend!

TR

[Roguish Lawyer]

I am caught up in this now.

[Roguish Lawyer]

Another:

[NousDefionsDoc]

Originally posted by The Reaper
You are truly a munificent and benevolent friend!

TR

Share pictures, not Smatchet. Smatchets must only ever have one owner and must not be lent. They are the Rottweilers of the knife world.

After that trap you set for the Crip, I thought it best to clarify. LOL

[Roguish Lawyer]

One more. Plus instructions here:

http://www.gutterfighting.org/smatchet.html

[Edit: Oops -- same one posted by NDD. Oh, well!]

[NousDefionsDoc]

Those are all Boker stainless except for the Damascus one, which is nice. Real Smatchets are not made of stainless. And they are made by an American in America. Like in Oregon, America - for example. :munchin

[Roguish Lawyer]

I wonder what a custom Smatchet made in Oregon would cost . . .

[The Reaper]

Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
Share pictures, not Smatchet. Smatchets must only ever have one owner and must not be lent. They are the Rottweilers of the knife world.

After that trap you set for the Crip, I thought it best to clarify. LOL

If I had a Smatchet, I would only loan it to teammates, and some immediate family members.

NOTE: Smitty was NOT a real teammate!

Have to agree with you about the REAL Smatchet, and who made it.

The Oregon maker has stopped producing them, though. Never again, I believe he said.

Nice sig on the Damascus version though. The Colonel's, I believe.

TR

[NousDefionsDoc]

Originally posted by Roguish Lawyer
I wonder what a custom Smatchet made in Oregon would cost . . .

A box of gold wouldn't be enough, but that's not the point. You can't put a price on the Smatchet, you can only pay tribute to the Smatchet Master who creates it. And the amount of tribute in no way is implicative of the esteem in which the Warrior holds the Smatchet Master. (I hope).:D

[NousDefionsDoc]

NOTE: Smitty was NOT a real teammate!

Anybody know where to buy adult diapers? The maid is starting to look at me funny when she washes my pants after Reaper posts.

Don't want to have to look under EVERY tree in the AO for your Smatchet, eh Boss? LOL

[The Reaper]

Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
Anybody know where to buy adult diapers? The maid is starting to look at me funny when she washes my pants after Reaper posts.

Don't want to have to look under EVERY tree in the AO for your Smatchet, eh Boss? LOL

Trees, hookers/wives/ex-wives beds (including ditches), FUSEP Stations, new homes, etc.

TR

[Roguish Lawyer]

Some more:

[Roguish Lawyer]

Last one (for now):

[GackMan]

Hey Kyobanim - ever think about building your own AR?

Spread the cost out piece by piece?



BTW, nice Smatchets... wonder if I can find one of those around here in Oregon, USA?

[Surgicalcric]

Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
...After that trap you set for the Crip, I thought it best to clarify. LOL

Which one?

:munchin

[NousDefionsDoc]

"Send me your gear and I'll take pics for you. return is at my discretion."

[Surgicalcric]

There have been several...I needed clarification.