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glockdad40cal
07-09-2006, 15:06
recently i saw a picture of a local soldier wearing a maroon beret with a 7th grp flash.ive been gone awhile,is this correct?the picture ident him as a sgt with 7th group.

uboat509
07-09-2006, 15:09
Support guys wear marron berrets with the group flash.

SFC W

glockdad40cal
07-09-2006, 15:15
thanks i got out in 88 and it was different,thanks

Airbornelawyer
07-09-2006, 16:40
The change went into effect in USASOC in January 1993. Support personnel went to maroon berets, unless they were Ranger-qualified, in which case they could wear black. I have no idea what happened after the Rangers changed to tan and the legs went to black.

The Reaper
07-09-2006, 17:31
Check the crest as well, IIRC, one of the artillery units on post (82nd Divarty?) coopted the solid red flash for their unit as well.

Damn redlegs!:D

TR

lksteve
07-09-2006, 20:26
Check the crest as well, IIRC, one of the artillery units on post (82nd Divarty?) coopted the solid red flash for their unit as well.
you missed some real grade-school shenanigans when the 82nd first got maroon berets back in '73...

12B4S
07-10-2006, 01:34
Soooooooooo. Who remembers the 'Candy' bar, for non SF support personnel?

There were some shanigans in '69 with the 82nd at Bragg over berets. Ours. ;)

Warrior-Mentor
07-10-2006, 11:40
you missed some real grade-school shenanigans when the 82nd first got maroon berets back in '73...

Sure it would be funny to hear the stories. I heard about a number of people driving around in convertibles blasting Prince's "Rasberry Beret.".... :p

Never checked snopes on it though....

The Reaper
07-10-2006, 12:15
Sure it would be funny to hear the stories. I heard about a number of people driving around in convertibles blasting Prince's "Rasberry Beret.".... :p

Never checked snopes on it though....

That was much later.

TR

Trip_Wire (RIP)
07-10-2006, 12:58
Soooooooooo. Who remembers the 'Candy' bar, for non SF support personnel?

There were some shanigans in '69 with the 82nd at Bragg over berets. Ours. ;)

I wore a "Candy Bar" for awhile in the 17th SFG(A) It wasn't just for support people. In my case, it meant I was Airborne qualified and assignd to that group. Only SF qualified wore the full flash. (No Tab in those days.)

At that time support people, or people assigned to the group and not yet Airborne qualified, wore the Green beret with no bar or flash just the Regimental crest. Of course this was in the early Sixties. When I first went to the 17th, in June '61 the Green Beret was not authorized yet.

:munchin

Mud Puppy
07-10-2006, 13:54
The "candy stripers", my now ex-father in law's nicer discription, were a shock to me when I first arrived at Ft. Bragg in 83. Ok, to be exact the pregnant female wearing the green beret was. It is my understanding that the tab was created because of support soldiers authorized to wear the headgear of their parent unit. Since prior to this (candy stripers) only qualified SF wore the green beret.

Is this myth or one of the reasons for the Special Forces tab?

Thank you for the clarification.

Mud Puppy

112thSOLCA
07-10-2006, 14:09
I hit Bragg in 82 and remember pregnant females with Green Berets.

I believe that was one of the reasons for the creation of the SF Tab. Remember when it first was authorized alot of guys had to choose between Ranger and SF Tabs because you were only allowed to wear one at a time.

When we formed the 112th Signal the guys with 18E MOS wanted to wear a Green Beret with the 112th flash and crest. However, they were told to wear the same headgear as the rest of the unit (maroon beret regardless if you were SF, Airborne or a leg).

I wonder how that has evolved over the years.

The Reaper
07-10-2006, 14:31
Last time I checked, SF personnel assigned to SOSCOM wore the Green Beret and the appropriate flash.

TR

lksteve
07-10-2006, 14:42
That was much later.you don't have to be so definite about it...;)

82ndtrooper
01-11-2007, 21:34
Check the crest as well, IIRC, one of the artillery units on post (82nd Divarty?) coopted the solid red flash for their unit as well.

Damn redlegs!:D

TR

You are correct Sir !! I was with the 2/321st FA (DIVARTY) The Flash was red with two gold stipes up until 1987-88 then solid red with the "Loyalty" crest.

lksteve
01-11-2007, 22:10
You are correct Sir !! I was with the 2/321st FA (DIVARTY) The Flash was red with two gold stipes up until 1987-88 then solid red with the "Loyalty" crest.in '73, when the maroon beret was first issued, all DIVARTY units wore a solid red flash...7th Group was not amused, IIRC...

82ndtrooper
01-11-2007, 22:26
in '73, when the maroon beret was first issued, all DIVARTY units wore a solid red flash...7th Group was not amused, IIRC...

Understandably ! I much preferred the two gold stripes (2nd Batt) than the solid red. One of my other 13F's went to 7th Group from the 2/321st after Pre "Q" and the "Q" (it was called something different than SFAS at the time) and he came back to the barracks in Ardennes sporting his new Green Beret with the 7th Flash and SF crest. We bowed in worship.

Jgood
01-12-2007, 15:43
319th went back to the red flash with gold stripes. I was 1/319th from 96-00 we had just one gold stripe.

82ndtrooper
01-12-2007, 18:22
I do not know if the Red Flash was as much a copy of the 7th Group flash as is dictated in this thread. Although RED, it is the artillery color. Much like the infantry "Turn Blue" after AIT by having a family member place the Blue cord on their right shoulder, the red cord (whatever it's called) used to be standard on the class A's as for artillery MOS's.

The Reaper
01-12-2007, 20:35
I do not know if the Red Flash was as much a copy of the 7th Group flash as is dictated in this thread. Although RED, it is the artillery color. Much like the infantry "Turn Blue" after AIT by having a family member place the Blue cord on their right shoulder, the red cord (whatever it's called) used to be standard on the class A's as for artillery MOS's.

I believe that you will discover, if you look, that SF was wearing berets long before the Deuce, and that the 7th Group flash predates the DIVARTY flash by many years.

TR

Radar Rider
01-12-2007, 21:03
I am now inprocessing at Fort Bragg. I proudly wear the 3rd SFG (A) flash and the De Opresso Liber crest as the unit to which I am assigned.

I'm a Military Intelligence support guy. But I wear the flash proudly. ;)

lksteve
01-12-2007, 21:05
I do not know if the Red Flash was as much a copy of the 7th Group flash as is dictated in this thread. well, i was in the 307th Engr. Battalion when we got the maroon beret...initially, we wore the unit crest on a beret, as there was no flash yet...the first guys in the division to wear flashes on their berets were DIVARTY...now i'm not saying that the flash was later artillery red, but in the summer of 1973, DIVARTY guys i knew bought 7th Group flashes at the PX...

82ndtrooper
01-13-2007, 00:53
I believe that you will discover, if you look, that SF was wearing berets long before the Deuce, and that the 7th Group flash predates the DIVARTY flash by many years.

TR

Ya got me there ! Roger that.

Luv2Hike66
05-20-2016, 11:06
I wore a "Candy Bar" for awhile in the 17th SFG(A) It wasn't just for support people. In my case, it meant I was Airborne qualified and assignd to that group. Only SF qualified wore the full flash. (No Tab in those days.)

At that time support people, or people assigned to the group and not yet Airborne qualified, wore the Green beret with no bar or flash just the Regimental crest. Of course this was in the early Sixties. When I first went to the 17th, in June '61 the Green Beret was not authorized yet.

:munchin

I was drafted into the 5th group in the Fall of 1965 to serve as a Como specialist in RVN. After my tour was finished, I was asked to stay in SF, I humbly accepted and always felt gratitude toward my many friendships made during my tour. At that time non SF qualified personal wore the green beret with a candy bar flash. But in RVN everyone wore a full flash. After I was enlisted to "S" status, I wore a full flash in the third group at Ft. Bragg.

Team Sergeant
05-20-2016, 11:13
I was drafted into the 5th group in the Fall of 1965 to serve as a Como specialist in RVN. After my tour was finished, I was asked to stay in SF, I humbly accepted and always felt gratitude toward my many friendships made during my tour. At that time non SF qualified personal wore the green beret with a candy bar flash. But in RVN everyone wore a full flash. After I was enlisted to "S" status, I wore a full flash in the third group at Ft. Bragg.

Welcome aboard!

(I was also in 5th, but still in diapers when you were there!) ;)