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Anyone else out here, that was stationed at Flint Kaserne attend the above Academy?
bost1751
05-21-2006, 10:41
Brad:
The NCO academy changed to PLDC or something like that when the Army modified the NCOES system years ago. For that reason several SF guys, lower ranks, should have attended it.
Nope!!! We avoided it like the plague. IIRC they tried to send personnel accepted to OCS prior to shipping.
OTOH I attended the "Combat Arms Communications Officer Course" conducted by 7th Army at PHK. I made honor grad as a SSG - the only EM in the course. One of the students made a real monkey out of himself by complaining it wasn't fair. :D :D :D
My dad attended the academy at Flint in 1958. Said it was one tough school!
They keep changing things on me bost. I think they tried to always send two of us from Flint to each class. Since we were in the same Kaserne and all.
QRQ. I wanted nothing to do with it. I had only been at Flint for a couple months and assigned to a new and the last Team, that was being formed, minding my own damn business, when I received the orders. I must have read them ten times, thinking it was a mistake. I went through the chain of command as far as I could, trying to get out of it. Yeah. Fat chance. The Army had already tossed me into a three week type NCO course right after AIT. Here, I thought I was headed to Benning for Jump School and find myself shanghai'd. That came as a surprise as well.
Must have been a tough school FILO. Somehow, I finished as honor graduate. :D
Actually, I don't remember thinking of it as tough. Just having to be there was tough and I had just graduated from SFTG only a few months prior. EVERYTHING seemed easier after that. ;)
As I recall, there was a monument in the NCOA corner of the quad. that had a miniature tank. I believe it was one of the decoys dropped on D-Day. The brass plaque was almways being polishid by someone. I would love to have had a concession on Brasso.
I also recall that their floors were the shiniest I have ever seen. CRS if they were concrete or tiled. The rooms had hardwood floors. Today they may use poly-urethane but in those days it was Johnson's paste wax and elbow grease.:eek:
As I recall, there was a monument in the NCOA corner of the quad. that had a miniature tank. I believe it was one of the decoys dropped on D-Day. The brass plaque was almways being polishid by someone. I would love to have had a concession on Brasso.
I also recall that their floors were the shiniest I have ever seen. CRS if they were concrete or tiled. The rooms had hardwood floors. Today they may use poly-urethane but in those days it was Johnson's paste wax and elbow grease.:eek:
I'm trying to recall from memory, but was the NCOA corner of the quad at the northeast side? When I was at Flint for JM school we stayed on the east side up on the second floor. Our classes were held in the small building outside of the quad on the south side. Also IIRC, the messhall was on the ground floor of the southwest corner and the German Restaraunt was on the second floor at the southeast corner. It's been over 20 years, so my memory may be off.
got BTFU in the Fall of 1980...some poor schmuck in HHC wanted to impress the A-team guys, it seems...he "found" a claymore mine, put it under the tank and set it off...blew out quite a few windows on the NE side of the quad...:rolleyes:
bost1751
05-22-2006, 08:55
I recall the "blowing up the tank" incident. I caused quite a stir. Actually it was pretty comical too. There were more rumors floating around about who did it. Most of the rumors were pretty fitting too.
I recall the "blowing up the tank" incident. I caused quite a stir. Actually it was pretty comical too. There were more rumors floating around about who did it. Most of the rumors were pretty fitting too.my most vivid recollection is the numerous "health and welfare" inspections in the team rooms and storage rooms in the housing area...it seems the source of the munition of choice was deemed to be either of those places...;)
The corner I mentioned would have been to the left as you entered the quad.
Basically, the 7th Army was on the left and Group was on the right. The NCO club was in the far left corner and the EM club was in the far right. That wing straight ahead also had the American Express bank, mess halls, and PX, on various floors.
The corner I mentioned would have been to the left as you entered the quad.
Basically, the 7th Army was on the left and Group was on the right. The NCO club was in the far left corner and the EM club was in the far right. That wing straight ahead also had the American Express bank, mess halls, and PX, on various floors.correct...except that the NCO Club was the Community Club when i got there, the EM club was the snack bar and the Officers' Club was the Supper Club...American Express was on the ground floor...there was an additional building of new construction behind the Quad and that was the 7th Army classroom...
I also recall that their floors were the shiniest I have ever seen. CRS if they were concrete or tiled. The rooms had hardwood floors. Today they may use poly-urethane but in those days it was Johnson's paste wax and elbow grease.:eek:
you are 100% correct QRQ. They were the shiniest floors known to mankind. I know, because I spent many an hour on hands and knees with that Johnson's Paste wax applying it with cotton balls. Every student did. The floors were a combination of concrete and tiles. The tiles lined either side of the main floor which was concrete like. That shiny, black part of the floor was called the 'autobahn'. No one was allowed to walk on it. You walked up and down the hall along the tiles at the side, which were about a foot or so wide. They were a reddish color.
That shiny, black part of the floor was called the 'autobahn'. No one was allowed to walk on it. You walked up and down the hall along the tiles at the side, which were about a foot or so wide. They were a reddish color.
This was still true when I attended PLDC there in 1989, and by that time the floors had a bit of a crown or hump in the middle from the years of Paste wax build up... And that Damn Tank was still out there....
LOL. I imagine it was Hugh. I wonder how many layers down mine were. :eek: I graduated from there 3/70.
And that Damn Tank was still out there....that damn tank was replaced...the one you saw was a newer, improved version...probably didn't have a space underneath it that would accomodate a claymore mine...;)
bost1751
05-24-2006, 08:59
That damn tank has become a topic of conversation.
That damn tank has become a topic of conversation.it was quite the topic back then, as well...strangely enough, i was on the roster of officers for courts martial back then...for some strange reason, i was challenged off the panel...by both sides...
but back to the original question, when i was the XO on A-8, the company SGM threatened to send me to the 7th Army NCO Academy...:D
Damn Steve! You should have taken him up on it. You would have come out of it with a promotion. You would have been an NCO. :cool:
Damn Steve! You should have taken him up on it. You would have come out of it with a promotion. You would have been an NCO. the SGM's concern is that before OCS, i had managed to make SSG without attending an NCO academy...he thought i was in need of remediation...:D
the SGM's concern is that before OCS, i had managed to make SSG without attending an NCO academy...he thought i was in need of remediation...:D
There ya go! SGMs know what is needed. Especially when it comes to XOs' of A Teams. ;)
My SGM tried to get me out of going to the NCOA. Turned out, it went higher than even he could get. :(
bost1751
05-24-2006, 23:25
Steve, you missed a golden opportunity.
Steve, you missed a golden opportunity.
UGH........ I mean, I concur.
Steve, you missed a golden opportunity.nope...i had previously attended the XVIII NCOA...the SGM didn't consider that a "real" NCOA...i guess he figured spit shining the Autobahn was more of a challenge than raking pine needles...
Given the option and having done both. I'll take raking the pine needles anytime. ;)
I was there and because of that I made the model for the inspection of the rooms. Photos and descriptions, a manuel. They just wouldn't allow my cowboy boots! I guess the captain thought everybody had to have a pair.
The Old Guy
02-08-2007, 22:56
The corner I mentioned would have been to the left as you entered the quad.
Basically, the 7th Army was on the left and Group was on the right. The NCO club was in the far left corner and the EM club was in the far right. That wing straight ahead also had the American Express bank, mess halls, and PX, on various floors.
Brilliant recall of the Kaserne, heaven on earth if I may be so humble and state.
I attended in 1983 and hated every moment. I polished the floors (autobahn), toilet bolts, drains, water fountains and 155mm rounds, asking myself what in the world this has to do with warfighting. I was a lean mean Airborne Ranger/ SF jumpmaster and pathfinder, why was I here with these “legs”. This was my first contact/interaction with women in the Army and it was a traumatic event for me. The cadre and I did not see eye to eye, maybe I should say the Commandant, but thank goodness to a senior NCO acting on my behalf I graduated, but not as the Distinguished Honor Grad! I walked down the middle of the autobahnas I left there to show my contempt for them.
I ended up doing BNCOC in Hohenfels and Distinguished Honor Graduate there, it was too easy!
How the years have mellowed my attitude. I visited the Quad in August 1998 before I left Germany the last time, it was heart breaking.
Michael
mike-munich
02-09-2007, 01:05
I visited the Quad in August 1998 before I left Germany the last time, it was heart breaking.
It still is heart breaking... One should think that you get used to it, since you see it every day. But you just don´t.... I see pictures in my head from 87, 88, up to 91 when Group left for Panzer/Böblingen. It breaks my heart every single day for the past 16 years...
Still breaks mine..........
Hohenfels. I was there. Thing is. I just have to remember why. Before I research my old paperwork and orders, I'm thinking it was a Flintlock exercise.
Mike. I see pictures in my head from '70/71........ What has happened there is an abomination!!!
mike-munich
02-13-2007, 02:35
Brad, Hohenfels is and was one of the big training areas for USAEUR. Most likely you have been there for some sort of exercise.
Mike. I see pictures in my head from '70/71........ What has happened there is an abomination!!!
It sure is... I have the old photos at the house, and I see the "new" situation every day. :(
Hohenfels. I was there. Thing is. I just have to remember why. Before I research my old paperwork and orders, I'm thinking it was a Flintlock exercise.i'm thinking it was either demo or heavy weapons cross training...can't see doing FL at Hohenfels...but then again, for me FL was always a spring exercise, not a fall exercise...coulda been a fall FL in conjunction with Regorger that took you to Hohenfels...
mike-munich
02-14-2007, 01:00
i'm thinking it was either demo or heavy weapons cross training...can't see doing FL at Hohenfels...but then again, for me FL was always a spring exercise, not a fall exercise...coulda been a fall FL in conjunction with Regorger that took you to Hohenfels...
I remember REFORGER being in Spring too. I think the last one was in April of 1993. Always big fun in Hohenfels....
I remember REFORGER being in Spring too. I think the last one was in April of 1993. .FL was a fall exercise until 1976...then, beginning in '77 it went to the spring...Reforger was a fall exercise throughout my entire experience with it, 76-84...
mike-munich
02-15-2007, 01:54
I hear you Sir. My experience starts in 1987...:cool:
i'm thinking it was either demo or heavy weapons cross training...can't see doing FL at Hohenfels...but then again, for me FL was always a spring exercise, not a fall exercise...coulda been a fall FL in conjunction with Regorger that took you to Hohenfels...
Havn't come across an old set of orders for FL lk. Did find a letter of commendation to the Team from a Colonel with the 1ST Infantry Division. We had been sent there to support thier Battalion ATT/ORT's at Hohenfels MTA, performing unconventional missions. This was in May '71.
I do remember being drenched for the better part of 8 days and that Delorenzo and I managed to really piss off some Captain with the Big Red 1. ;)
I attended the 7th Army NCO Academy in 1966. I remember the Autobahn and how we had to polish it every night with Lincoln (Never Kiwi) Boot polish and a piece of a G.I. blanket.
All of the chrome on all of the plumbing fixtures was rubbed off with emory cloth and the brass was Brasso'd every night, too.
General Omar Bradley visited Flint Kasserne while I was attending the NCO Academy and reminised about General Patton having his Headquarters at Flint Kasserne, before being relieved of command of the Third army.
We were all impressed seeing the old gentleman with his five stars on each ephillet (sp) until he decided to walk down the center of the autobahn on his way out of the Academy.
Four months later, I reenlisted for SF and ended up back at Flint Kasserne.
Mike
hannon4you
07-25-2008, 21:53
Graduated Spring 1965 - Polished same floors in same manner w/cotton balls.
Guys,
We avoided it like the plague. Who wanted to spend an inordinate amount of time polishing the "Autobahn" (hallway) and then not being allowed to walk on it? :rolleyes: BS. For us, the secret was to stay committed to the field so that the teams who did less field training always had to send somebody to the school across the archway with their minature tank out in the corner of the quadrangle. :p
One of their claims to fame was that the Commandant, a CSM, had GEN Patton's desk from his time at Flint Kaserne. His son, MG Patton, tried to get it for his office when he commanded the 11th Armored Carnival Regiment but the 7th Army NCO Academy's Commandant wouldn't let him have it. Anybody know what eventually happened to that desk? :munchin
Richard - who wound up doing the 3rd Army/XVIII ABC NCO Academy.
One of their claims to fame was that the Commandant, a CSM, had GEN Patton's desk from his time at Flint Kaserne. His son, MG Patton, tried to get it for his office when he commanded the 11th Armored Carnival Regiment but the 7th Army NCO Academy's Commandant wouldn't let him have it. Anybody know what eventually happened to that desk?
I attended PLDC there in 2003. The desk was still being used by the Commandant.
I attended PLDC there in 2003. The desk was still being used by the Commandant.
What year did 7th NCOA move to Grafenwoehr? I attended PLDC in 06, 1-10 still sends support guys there.
Only heard about the desk, but the mini tank is still out there on a cement slab in front of the headquarters building
got a pic of it somewhere, has a star, and moonraker painted on it
"At its inception, the Academy occupied two adjoining Kasernes: Stetten Kaserne and Jensen Barracks located in Munich, Germany. On 31 October 1958, after nine years in the Bavarian capital, the Academy moved to its second location at Flint Kaserne, Bad Tolz, Germany. Effective 4 September 1990, the Seventh U.S. Army Noncommissioned Officer Academy relocated to and became a tenant unit of the Grafenwoehr Training Area. On 15 March 2005, the NCO Academy made its fourth move to its current location at Camp Normandy, Grafenwoehr."
http://www.hqjmtc.army.mil/institution/organization/ncoa/ncoa-history.htm
I did manage to find one silver lining to being sent there. Beat the lights out and bed check once or twice a week and knew how to use the second and third lower levels to get to the NCO club. :D
The corner I mentioned would have been to the left as you entered the quad.
Basically, the 7th Army was on the left and Group was on the right. The NCO club was in the far left corner and the EM club was in the far right. That wing straight ahead also had the American Express bank, mess halls, and PX, on various floors.
And that would put the swimming pool on the near right corner - based on the above orientation - right?
Not knowing my left from my right or my near from my far - got me in some "cold water" one night back in '74 and got me permanently banned from ever attending the 7th Army NCO Academy too - for those interested, I just posted that on a nother thread - probably should have been here (see link below)
By the way - my memory is playing tricks on me - was there, or was there not some kind of monumnet out in the middle of the Quad?
http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=257889#post257889
greenberetTFS
04-09-2009, 01:57
I attended the 11th ABN NCO Academy at Sheriden Kassern in the Spring at Augsburg. I graduated #3 in the class. I was promoted to Staff/Sgt (E5) Three stripes with a rocker, from a CPL(E4). There were no three stripe Sgts at that time in 1957. When I got back to the company they gave me orders for 7th Army NCO Academy in Munich and to report in 3 weeks. It was at the Stetten Kassern and Jensen Barracks Kassern. Didn't experience any thing like what you fellas did at Flint Kassern. However we had the "games played on us" by the cadre there also. Graduated #2 in my class. I had earned the EIB when I was with the 82th ABN and I think it helped during my inspections......................;)
GB TFS :munchin
And that would put the swimming pool on the near right corner - based on the above orientation - right?
Not knowing my left from my right or my near from my far - got me in some "cold water" one night back in '74 and got me permanently banned from ever attending the 7th Army NCO Academy too - for those interested, I just posted that on a nother thread - probably should have been here (see link below)
By the way - my memory is playing tricks on me - was there, or was there not some kind of monumnet out in the middle of the Quad?
http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=257889#post257889
There was a large rock at the base of the flagpole which we moved up to Panzer Kaserne in Boeblingen (would be nice if I could type in the umlauts..). Is this the memorial you're thinking of?
So, did you ever hear about the gold that was supposedly buried on Flint Kaserne?
Utah Bob
04-09-2009, 07:54
There was a large rock at the base of the flagpole which we moved up to Panzer Kaserne in Boeblingen (would be nice if I could type in the umlauts..). Is this the memorial you're thinking of?
So, did you ever hear about the gold that was supposedly buried on Flint Kaserne?
Yup. Gold, diamonds, and art works. The riches of the Third Reich as I heard it.
Supposedly all booby trapped. ;)
There was a large rock at the base of the flagpole which we moved up to Panzer Kaserne in Boeblingen (would be nice if I could type in the umlauts..). Is this the memorial you're thinking of?
So, did you ever hear about the gold that was supposedly buried on Flint Kaserne?
I guess so - the night that I got turned around in the middle of the quad - everything was coverd with snow - so I couldn't make out what it was - never realized it just a big rock.
Only Gold I knew about in Bavaria was those little gold flecks in the Gold Wasser Schnaps that some whom I hung out with would order - wasn't my favorite but back then, I wouldn't turn anything down. Glad I don't do that anymore!
vcorpstac
09-17-2009, 16:06
I was at the NCO March 1966. I have read with interest and humor some of the great posts here. When we were there the floors were polished with Good old "KIWI" black shoe polish.My most vivid memory of the place was the map reading course somewhere out towards the ALps. We had practiced for couple days prior to the actual test. The night before the test it snowed 2+feet and everything but everything was white and buried. What made the course most interesting was the central area of the course which is where the 10th Blew stuff up. We were told not to enter the area due to unexploded ordinance yet we had to transect the area in order to locate pre maked stakes in the ground which were now buried under snow. It was quite challenging but I made it. Mostly it was sleep deprivation bed at about 11 or 12 after all the studying and duties and up at 4am. 28 days of basic O.D. torture. Passed and got back to my unit and made E-5 about 2 weeks later. You didn't dare flunk out and embarass your unit! I still have the student guide which was issued to incoming "meat". I look at it now and can't imagine ever going through that again yet I somehow think I could still handle it. Best of luck to all vets.
The Reaper
09-17-2009, 18:24
vcorpstac:
You might want to review the rules and stickies and comply before posting again.
TR
greenberetTFS
09-18-2009, 01:01
Has any one attended the 7th NCOA in Munich before it moved to Flint Kassern? ;)
Big Teddy :munchin
I retired in1990 and this has brought back many memories. I went to the "7th" back in 71 or 72. Had an SF guy in my PLt and he couldn't understand why he was there either. I was an E-5 already and I believe he was as well. I remember polishing the middle of the hall with shoe polish and not being able to walk on it. I also remember it was too much like basic training not much respect for the NCO's that attended.
The area was great, I was assigned to the 509th in Maintz at the time. Wife and kids came up for graduation and we spent the weekend in Bad Toltz.
Thanks for the memories.
GT
alfromcolorado
10-29-2009, 20:21
I walked through the deserted hallways of the Academy at Toelz while on Bn duty. Many had already left for Boeblingen and being one of the last there I got stuck with duty.
It was kind of spooky in there. All the stupid shit was still there like the brass plugs in the showers and the "Autobahn"-a bit more scuffed up than in previous times I am sure.
My mind got to thinking of who might have stayed in those rooms over the many years since the place was built.
The end of the Academy wing at the archway over by the Community Club is now the Gaststaette zur Flintkaserne.
My team room 021 was in the basement on the left side of the archway under the academy. Being there we had students wandering by very frequently. They always gawked at us like we were aliens, kind of regarded them that way as well... Used to really piss us off them blocking the door to the team room while they cleaned their gear. The one positive time was when Shit House man (our new 18B) was sent and we got to watch him bow and scrape to the instructors.
MVP
SdAufKla
11-11-2009, 11:25
Freaky small world. Reading this thread brings back some memories.
I never attended the 7th Army NOC Academy at Flint, but my wife did before we got married. Then we were stationed there in the mid-80's after she ETS'ed.
She still tells war stories about polishing that damn Autobahn!
Cougar6zulu
01-15-2010, 14:32
"At its inception, the Academy occupied two adjoining Kasernes: Stetten Kaserne and Jensen Barracks located in Munich, Germany. On 31 October 1958, after nine years in the Bavarian capital, the Academy moved to its second location at Flint Kaserne, Bad Tolz, Germany. Effective 4 September 1990, the Seventh U.S. Army Noncommissioned Officer Academy relocated to and became a tenant unit of the Grafenwoehr Training Area. On 15 March 2005, the NCO Academy made its fourth move to its current location at Camp Normandy, Grafenwoehr." -JAZZ
I am curious as to where this info came from. I attended PLDC in GRAF in 1998 right before a quick 'HOLIDAY' in the Balkans. The new NCO academy is on the back side of GRAF around RG 115 but NOW its called WLC "WUSSIE...sorry...i mean..WARRIOR LEADERS COURSE" There is one redeeming attribute to the new school though.....IT IS THE FINEST CHOW HALL I HAVE EVER EATEN AT!!!!!!!
The newest NCO academy is toward the rear of GRAF about 1500M from RG !!%
"TANK GOD AND GIVER OF LIFE TO ALL THINGS MECHANICAL"
I am curious as to where this info came from. I attended PLDC in GRAF in 1998 right before a quick 'HOLIDAY' in the Balkans. The new NCO academy is on the back side of GRAF around RG 115 but NOW its called WLC "WUSSIE...sorry...i mean..WARRIOR LEADERS COURSE" There is one redeeming attribute to the new school though.....IT IS THE FINEST CHOW HALL I HAVE EVER EATEN AT!!!!!!!
The newest NCO academy is toward the rear of GRAF about 1500M from RG !!%
"TANK GOD AND GIVER OF LIFE TO ALL THINGS MECHANICAL"
Here's the link:
http://www.hqjmtc.army.mil/Organization/NCO_Academy/NCOA_history.html
I keep trying to get the PAC clerks to change my ERB back to PLDC.. I did not go to WLC....
My team room 021 was in the basement on the left side of the archway under the academy.
That was our TmRm for ODA-7 (B Co). We were the first to occupy it when we moved from upstairs near the S2/S3/WarRoom in early 1978. We also had a secure storage room for our Training "Jazzer" (as we called it) in the tower to the right of the entrance arch under the NCO Academy Commandant's area.
The SCUBA team (B Co) was near the pool, the HALO team (A Co) was near the rigger's shed, and the remainder of the teams for A and B Companies were in the team buildings behind the athletic field.
Small world out there. ;)
Richard
That was our TmRm for ODA-7 (B Co). We were the first to occupy it when we moved from upstairs near the S2/S3/WarRoom in early 1978. We also had a secure storage room for our Training "Jazzer" (as we called it) in the tower to the right of the entrance arch under the NCO Academy Commandant's area.
The SCUBA team (B Co) was near the pool, the HALO team (A Co) was near the rigger's shed, and the remainder of the teams for A and B Companies were in the team buildings behind the athletic field.
Small world out there. ;)
RichardA7 became A121 when we renumbered in '81. The SCUBA team went to A Company as A111, A Company's mountain team (whose team room was beneath the HALO team in the Rigger Shed) went to B Company as A123 and each company gave up teams to form C Company. The jazzer went away in 1982, one of my last acts as S2/NSO.
Cougar6zulu
01-16-2010, 11:06
Here's the link:
http://www.hqjmtc.army.mil/Organizat...A_history.html
I keep trying to get the PAC clerks to change my ERB back to PLDC.. I did not go to WLC....
I remember when the barracks where right by the old PX on the main strip in Graf just passed the golf course. now the barracks are in the back next to camp Algiers....whole new compound.
Yeah....I had the same problem with S1 but they told me that PLDC does not even exist anymore in the NCOES listing. Just wait till they change your ANCOC that will make you laugh!
A7 became A121 when we renumbered in '81. The SCUBA team went to A Company as A111, A Company's mountain team (whose team room was beneath the HALO team in the Rigger Shed) went to B Company as A123 and each company gave up teams to form C Company. The jazzer went away in 1982, one of my last acts as S2/NSO.
A111 eventually became 015.
vcorpstac
04-30-2010, 19:02
When was it that you were there and it was deserted? You say Boeblingen was where the academy was relocated? Just curious as you can see by my post I ws there in Mch 1966 and boy I do remember the "Details"!
dI walked through the deserted hallways of the Academy at Toelz while on Bn duty. Many had already left for Boeblingen and being one of the last there I got stuck with duty.
It was kind of spooky in there. All the stupid shit was still there like the brass plugs in the showers and the "Autobahn"-a bit more scuffed up than in previous times I am sure.
My mind got to thinking of who might have stayed in those rooms over the many years since the place was built.
The end of the Academy wing at the archway over by the Community Club is now the Gaststaette zur Flintkaserne.
alfromcolorado
05-01-2010, 12:01
When was it that you were there and it was deserted? You say Boeblingen was where the academy was relocated? Just curious as you can see by my post I ws there in Mch 1966 and boy I do remember the "Details"!
d
The NCO Academy moved from Toelz to Vilsek/Grafenwoehr in late 1990. I was on duty with 1/10 SFG(A) mid 1991 when most everyone from the BN had moved to Boeblingen. The Kaserne was fairly empty by then. That's when I found my way into the old Academy area.
I went through the Academy in Jan of 80. the problem was that I knew most of the instructors there and I was given some extra training just for the heck of it. They made sure to make my visit there special. I just ran the photo section for 10th. Ahh well what doesn't kill you right.
BTW the guy that tried to blow up the tank monument was a crew chief from the air field. The Academy tried to blame one of the Demo guys, but we all figured if it had been one of the guys on the Teams they would have done it right.
There was lots of heritage in that tm room that disappeared with the move to Stuttgart and the re-org of the Bn circa 1989. I believe I have a folder with the ODA-7 logo somewhere in my stuff. The soldier lost his rifle in the logo revamp and was replaced with a stick and knapsack when 021 became the "Hobo Team" with Rocket Rick as Tm Sgt. When I got back to the Bn in 1991 I found the "Jazzer" coffee table from the bar ended up with a C-Co team. One night at a party in the BEQ I found a large drawing I had framed and donated to 121 in 1987 in the bedroom of a C Co. guy. I think most of the Tm memorabilia was trashed by guys unconcerned about their history. I did recover two of the "pack mules" steins but passed them to guys that told me they had been on 7/121.
Forgot to mention that the S-house next to the jazzer storage room was where S-Houseman (reference Team code names thread) kept his gear
MVP
My first look at Flint Kaserne was when I arrived at the 7th NCO Academy in 79. I had a commo guy, Lee Helbig, in my class and he showed me around on the weekends. When I returned in 86, I ended up in the team room just to the right of the main arch in the basement, ODA 011 with Corky Shelton as team daddy. I left just prior to the move and returned to find the Bn at Börbligan and most of the team room and a lot of the other stuff in personal hands. C Co had a good team room bar, hidden from the BN CDR McMillian who wouldn't let any of the teams have them and in it was a collection of a few ODA bars, sort of for safe keeping. I also saw some items in the trash, which I recovered and tried to give back to the team from which it came from. I went back to Tölz a number of times and walked through the Kaserne when it was empty but will only remember it as the most beautiful Kaserne in Europe.
Charlie1bear
02-03-2014, 14:19
I was assigned to ODA-022, got to Toelz in December 88 til Mar 90. I was one of the last of the 5th Group refugees to be fortunate to get an over seas assignment to Toelz while 5th Group moved to FCKY.
The selection process was truly unbiased in the respect that they selected people that had never had an overseas tour.
I had spent my entire career in "Airborne" units, so had never left Bragg for 13 consecutive years until then.
I had no idea what was going on. I was assigned to Mott Lake when I first got to 5th Group and then went to Ft Gordon for ANOC. When I got back my company had moved back to main post. The old "Delta" stock-aid compound and I got my orders for Bad Toelz. No one ever told me 5th Group was moving. It was old news by time I got back. I found out 2 years later when I walked into PERSTAT looking for my orders to go back to Bragg.
Toelz is where I meet Corky. Luckiest SOB I ever met. Don't play poker with that man. I married one of the local Krauts from Munich (Divorced now). I couldn't stand to see the place after the Regular Army ran us out and it was announced they were going to knock it down. I wanted to remember it the way it was. Absolutely BEATIFUL. even the Army couldn't mess that up.
ODA-022 had a great team room too. Nice bar with a Balcony looking at the Alps. The 2 years I spent there was just amazing. The absolute best time of life and my career. A real adventure from the moment I got there until I left.
Wonder what happened to Patton's desk? It was in the NCO School Commandants office.
Combat Diver
02-06-2014, 18:17
Another Tolzer here. I got to Tolz from 1/5th SFGA in Feb 88 and back to 1/5th in Nov 90'. The PLDC course had just shut down and moved to Grafenwoehr when I left (IIRC). I started on ODA-012 and then moved down the hall to 015. Always enjoyed that garden spot. Stopped back by again in Sep 03 when I was leaving Stuttgart to remomorise. (seems everytime I'm in 1/10, I have to fight with DA to get back to 1/5 to go to war!)
CD
Nonstop24/7
03-05-2014, 19:19
I was part of the 10th in 61-62-63 and would say it was my best assignment ever.
I was assigned to C co, located in Lengries a few clicks away in A-32.
I live on the Isar River about half way between Flint and Lengries in a Germany house for , get this $37.00 per month.
A-32 was deployed out of country some and none of our team members went to
7th Army NCO academy while I was with them. We always heard about how tough it was. I went to XVIII abn NCO academy previously while statinoned at Ft Bragg.
That whole area around Flint Kaserne was beautiful and I would love to go back.
There was lots of heritage in that tm room that disappeared with the move to Stuttgart and the re-org of the Bn circa 1989. I believe I have a folder with the ODA-7 logo somewhere in my stuff. The soldier lost his rifle in the logo revamp and was replaced with a stick and knapsack when 021 became the "Hobo Team" with Rocket Rick as Tm Sgt. When I got back to the Bn in 1991 I found the "Jazzer" coffee table from the bar ended up with a C-Co team. One night at a party in the BEQ I found a large drawing I had framed and donated to 121 in 1987 in the bedroom of a C Co. guy. I think most of the Tm memorabilia was trashed by guys unconcerned about their history. I did recover two of the "pack mules" steins but passed them to guys that told me they had been on 7/121.
Forgot to mention that the S-house next to the jazzer storage room was where S-Houseman (reference Team code names thread) kept his gear
MVP
Thanks for the information, although it saddens me to think about the loss of so much great memorabilia.
Richard
mike-munich
03-06-2014, 01:26
I wonder where all this stuff went after Flint Kaserne shut down... It breaks my heart everytime I drive by the Kaserne and the housing area, or the Sachsenkam range. The area to the far right on the fence, across from the tennis courts where the teamhouse used to be, has the ice hockey stadium for the Tölz club now.
I married one of the local Krauts from Munich (Divorced now).
Haha. Many did that, most marriages worked out though. I married a girl from Munich, but I divorced her too. My current HH6 is Bavarian again.
Richard, I see you completed your move to NorCal. Hope y'all like it! We'll be back in TX. in 4 weeks, doing some work on the house.