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Warrior-Mentor
04-22-2006, 14:59
Anybody listing on myspace.com?
What is the attraction of this site?
I think it's a giant superficial social club sir. And the attraction seems te be how many contacts you can acquire - of which more than half they probably have no idea who they really are. A friend showed me once, just silly.
Eagle5US
04-22-2006, 15:17
listed as SOF Vette Seen here (http://www.myspace.com/sofvette)
My younger son is listed (Nightwolf6989) as is his GF (Missy)...We talk back and forth on it...gets me involved in something he likes doing.
There's a whole SOCNet crowd there now as well.
Eagle
Team Sergeant
04-22-2006, 15:20
Anybody listing on myspace.com?
What is the attraction of this site?
From what I've been reading its a great place for pedophiles and child molesters rapist, sexual Predators and Registered Sex Offenders. Let's not forget the high school killers and suicide gang.
Not a day goes by that there isn't another "sad" or sick story in the news about that place.....
Guess I'm being one-sided and going off a first impression Eagle5US.
Team Sergeant
04-22-2006, 15:33
Guess I'm being one-sided and going off a first impression Eagle5US.
I think the anonymity the internet allows is not a good thing for many......Most do not understand who or what may lurk behind a screen name.....
I keep reading about cops busting pedophile after pedophile from sites like that one. Had a big sting here in Phoenix not too long ago. Need more stings, kids need to be protected from pedophiles.
Kyobanim
04-22-2006, 16:28
It does give you a snapshot of what's going on in the mind of todays youth. I looked up a few of my young students. . . The future doesn't look to good when judged against them and their friends.
No wonder the pedophiles love that place.
Warrior-Mentor
04-22-2006, 17:41
I signed up just to see what the fuss is about:
www.myspace.com/warrior_mentor
I have a listing.
http://www.myspace.com/34852275
I use it to keep up to date with my nephew's band.
NousDefionsDoc
04-22-2006, 18:47
I signed up just to see what the fuss is about:
www.myspace.com/warrior_mentor
Did you put Tom in there or is that something they do?
Aequitas
04-22-2006, 18:57
Five teenagers arrested; alleged targets were popular students
Thursday, April 20, 2006; Posted: 5:26 p.m. EDT (21:26 GMT)
RIVERTON, Kansas (AP) -- Five teenage boys accused of plotting a shooting rampage at their high school on the anniversary of the Columbine massacre were arrested Thursday after details of the alleged scheme appeared on the Web site MySpace.com.
Sheriff's deputies found guns, ammunition, knives and coded messages in the bedroom of one suspect, Sheriff Steve Norman said. Authorities also found documents about firearms in two suspects' school lockers.
"What the resounding theme is: They were actually going to do this," Norman said.
Norman said he would ask prosecutors to bring charges of conspiracy to commit murder against the teens, ages 16 to 18. He said the state attorney general would handle the prosecution.
Deputies' interviews with the suspects indicated they planned to wear black trench coats and disable the school's camera system before starting the attack between noon and 1 p.m. Thursday, Norman said. The suspects apparently had been plotting since the beginning of the school year.
Officials at Riverton High School began investigating on Tuesday after learning that a threatening message had been posted on MySpace.com, he said.
The message discussed the significance of April 20, which is Adolf Hitler's birthday and the anniversary of the 1999 Columbine High School attack in Colorado, in which two students wearing trench coats killed 13 people and committed suicide, the sheriff said.
"The message, it was brief, but it stated that there was going to be a shooting at the Riverton school and that people should wear bulletproof vests and flak jackets," Norman said.
School officials identified the student who posted the message and talked to several of his friends, Norman said.
But Riverton school district Superintendent David Walters said the significance of the threat didn't become clear until Wednesday night, after a woman in North Carolina who had chatted with one of the suspects on Myspace.com received a list of about a dozen potential victims, including at least one staff member. She notified authorities in her state, who contacted the sheriff's department, Norman said.
Norman said that the potential victims were popular students and that the suspects may have been bullied.
"I think there was probably some bullying, name calling, chastising," he said.
Riverton, a town of about 600, is in the southeast corner of Kansas.
Warrior-Mentor
04-22-2006, 19:15
Did you put Tom in there or is that something they do?
That must be something they do. If you look at how many "friends" he has, it's like 73,079,700 friends. I don't know anyone with 73 million friends. His profession is MySpace, though.
NousDefionsDoc
04-22-2006, 19:30
Well, it's nice that he wants to be your friend...:)
Warrior-Mentor
04-22-2006, 21:01
I'll sleep better tonight knowing I have at least 1 friend. :cool:
The Dave
04-22-2006, 22:59
I'll admit I'm one of those who got suckered into signing up. The one good thing I've found about the site, is that I've been able to get in touch with friends I lost contact with a long long time ago.
TS is dead on, the place is a pedophile's paradise. Some of the news stories you hear from people meeting on Myspace can make one sick.
On another note, Eagle...thats a gorgeous car!
Smokin Joe
04-22-2006, 23:07
Just warn your kids about myspace and make sure that there profiles are sanitized. TS is right on about it being a pedophiles paradise. That place is no joke, several kids have been sucessfully hunted throught that site.:( :mad:
The Dave
04-22-2006, 23:14
Just warn your kids about myspace and make sure that there profiles are sanitized. TS is right on about it being a pedophiles paradise. That place is no joke, several kids have been sucessfully hunted throught that site.:( :mad:
Some parents probably don't even have any clue, what kinds of pictures and blogs their kids are putting up. Let alone even having a profile. My boss had an issue with his neice who lives with him, he couldn't figure out what she was doing on the computer. Told him about a program called "Spytech Spyagent". Within a week, he found out what she was up to...and he wasn't happy.
Myspace... is basically a six degrees of Kevin Bacon type thing for young people. People I haven't talked to in 5+ years find me on there, and I randomly find people I know also. You can look up your high school, college, etc and you get a list of people that you can browse through and know someone out of it. There's some weirdos on it that have 100,000 fake "friends", and I don't see the attraction in that, but I have about 80 myspace friends. Of the 80 or so, I actually know 78 or 79, from being a childhood friend or people I've served with in the military. I talk to a friend in Iraq pretty frequently on myspace.
As far as pedophiles, they're out there I'm sure, although I've only read about them in the news. Myspace is basically a big email phonebook with pictures. Kids have to be taught to the use internet responsibly. Since kids are basically irresponsible, they should probably be monitored somehow.
The "Tom" guy is just the creator of Myspace, and he's everyone's first 'friend'. Warrior Mentor, I sent you a friend request! I'm a much better friend than Tom.
Warrior-Mentor
04-23-2006, 13:05
By Andrew Romano
Newsweek
April 24, 2006 - As far as Jennifer Joffe was concerned, the party started the night of Feb. 23, when she let four friends raid the liquor cabinet of her mother's Boulder, Colo., mansion—and it ended when she stumbled up to bed.
But the next morning it was clear that Joffe, 18, had missed some revelry. Mirrors were shattered. Walls were spattered with blood. Police say $40,000 worth of property was gone. And Joffe was certain that she'd been sexually assaulted (Joffe is a pseudonym; NEWSWEEK does not name sexual-assault victims). What she didn't know, however, was who was responsible for the rampage—and, without other witnesses, neither did Detective Ali Bartley.
Until she spotted MySpace.com on Joffe's PC. "It was like a Pandora's box," says Bartley, who spent the next few days monitoring Joffe's online network of "friends" (and friends of friends) and assembling a "police lineup" of suspects from the portrait photos displayed on their profiles. By March 14, Bartley had arrested six young men—two of the original partygoers, plus four friends they invited over while Joffe slept—in connection with the crimes.
Meet the point-and-click police. A growing number of ordinary officers are working a new beat, turning to MySpace—an online network of individuals linked through personalized home pages—to collect clues and crack offline cases. Communication between cops and the two-year-old company has surged this year, with MySpace now contributing to about 150 investigations a month, according to Jason Feffer, its vice president for operations.
That's due in large part to the site's size and substance. A searchable, public scrapbook of images, affiliations and written exchanges, it offers detectives raw data on 70 million potential suspects, witnesses or victims (Facebook.com has also served as a source of info, though it is limited to users on college campuses).
MySpace has good reason to cooperate with the cops. In the past year, the site has mounted a corporate campaign to counter its growing reputation as a hunting ground for sexual predators—an effort that culminated last week in the hiring of Microsoft's Hemanshu Nigam, a former federal prosecutor, to oversee security.
Today, a 20-member, 24/7 law-enforcement team fields 350 calls a week from its Rolodex of nearly 800 agencies, helping them surf the site and, if necessary, subpoena a suspect's private messages and registration information. "Criminals are not welcome on MySpace," says Feffer. "And they will be caught." (Under Justice Department guidelines, anything posted online is fair game.)
So far, the vast majority of wrongdoers nabbed on MySpace have been the victims of their own hubris. In January, Palmetto Bay, Fla., cops charged a local teen with attempted second-degree murder after members of his "fighting crew" boasted on MySpace message boards of their violent exploits. In March, detectives in Wilkes-Barre, Pa., were able to arrest 10 alleged graffiti artists because they had peppered their profiles with photos of their work. And earlier this month two boys firebombed an abandoned airplane hangar in Novato, Calif.—then uploaded video of themselves committing the crime.
(Authorities can also probe profiles for insight into a suspect's character; on his page, suspected cop-killer Jacob Robida wrote that his favorite "murder weapon" was a hatchet. Robida was killed in a shoot-out with police.) "Users are posting stuff to impress their friends," says Yahoo! social-media researcher Danah Boyd. "But on MySpace, it's visible to other audiences—audiences that normally wouldn't have access."
As more cops log on, privacy advocates warn that investigative tactics will only get bolder. Detective Rich Wistocki of Naperville, Ill., has two profiles on MySpace: one under his real name (headline: Predator Catcher) and one under a pseudonym. "There's not a day that goes by that I'm not on there," he says. Each month, the site helps Wistocki solve three or four cases; he spends the rest of his MySpace time snooping on suspected drug dealers or checking up on local teens.
By conducting such surveillance, says Electronic Privacy Information Center senior counsel Chris Hoofnagle, an officer risks crossing "the line between crimes that have been committed and crimes that haven't. Next he'll be sucking down information just in case he needs it—and that's the type of action that upsets a user's rights." A company spokesperson says that MySpace will continue to do what it takes to maintain site safety—and that members, so far, have appreciated its efforts. "MySpace is not a police state," says CEO Chris DeWolfe.
Bartley, for one, is unfazed. She's in the thick of a new MySpace case involving child pornography—and she still browses the profiles of the young men she arrested in March. "Honestly, they've had nothing nice to say about me," she confesses. "But it's fun to see what the guys are up to."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12335363/site/newsweek/
Nice find MW
Until she spotted MySpace.com on Joffe's PC. "It was like a Pandora's box," says Bartley, who spent the next few days monitoring Joffe's online network of "friends" (and friends of friends) and assembling a "police lineup" of suspects from the portrait photos displayed on their profiles. By March 14, Bartley had arrested six young men—two of the original partygoers, plus four friends they invited over while Joffe slept—in connection with the crimes.
Meet the point-and-click police. A growing number of ordinary officers are working a new beat, turning to MySpace—an online network of individuals linked through personalized home pages—to collect clues and crack offline cases. Communication between cops and the two-year-old company has surged this year, with MySpace now contributing to about 150 investigations a month, according to Jason Feffer, its vice president for operations.
Today, a 20-member, 24/7 law-enforcement team fields 350 calls a week from its Rolodex of nearly 800 agencies, helping them surf the site and, if necessary, subpoena a suspect's private messages and registration information. "Criminals are not welcome on MySpace," says Feffer. "And they will be caught." (Under Justice Department guidelines, anything posted online is fair game.)
(Authorities can also probe profiles for insight into a suspect's character; on his page, suspected cop-killer Jacob Robida wrote that his favorite "murder weapon" was a hatchet. Robida was killed in a shoot-out with police.) "Users are posting stuff to impress their friends," says Yahoo! social-media researcher Danah Boyd. "But on MySpace, it's visible to other audiences—audiences that normally wouldn't have access."
As more cops log on, privacy advocates warn that investigative tactics will only get bolder. Detective Rich Wistocki of Naperville, Ill., has two profiles on MySpace: one under his real name (headline: Predator Catcher) and one under a pseudonym. "There's not a day that goes by that I'm not on there," he says. Each month, the site helps Wistocki solve three or four cases; he spends the rest of his MySpace time snooping on suspected drug dealers or checking up on local teens.
By conducting such surveillance, says Electronic Privacy Information Center senior counsel Chris Hoofnagle, an officer risks crossing "the line between crimes that have been committed and crimes that haven't. Next he'll be sucking down information just in case he needs it—and that's the type of action that upsets a user's rights." A company spokesperson says that MySpace will continue to do what it takes to maintain site safety—and that members, so far, have appreciated its efforts. "MySpace is not a police state," says CEO Chris DeWolfe.
All I can say is ACLU!! They will be having more fun try to tell America why LEO shouldn't be online. LEOs have been doing online "looking", but this will just start up a new cry by them. For the protection of our kids.:confused:
TS is dead on, the place is a pedophile's paradise. Some of the news stories you hear from people meeting on Myspace can make one sick.
The talk about this makes me laugh because I remember being 13 years old and my mom not letting me use the internet because there were so many stories of pedophiles in AOL chat rooms. Seems like things only change sideways.
Just like the real world, there's always some scavengers trying to feed on the weak, and there's people like us trying to keep them safe.
I think education is the most important part. Despite my mother's efforts, I managed to hack my way onto the internet for two years before she finally let me do it legally. But because of all of the horror stories, I knew better than to respond to people who messaged me with "Hey ASL?", or at least make some BS up.
By the way, I was involved in a case about 7 months ago where a girl met a guy from myspace at a Wafflehouse and when she left she let him get in the car where he raped her right in the parking lot. I didn't work the actual case, but I'm sure that the M.O. sheet was supplimented by color photos and whatever other info was listed on his little myspace page.
Realistically, in this case, I don't see the difference between meeting some random guy at a bar or from a dating website. She allowed herself to trust him, which unfortunately, women can't safely do these days.
Slantwire
04-24-2006, 09:51
As more cops log on, privacy advocates warn that investigative tactics will only get bolder.
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By conducting such surveillance, says Electronic Privacy Information Center senior counsel Chris Hoofnagle, an officer risks crossing "the line between crimes that have been committed and crimes that haven't. Next he'll be sucking down information just in case he needs it—and that's the type of action that upsets a user's rights."
It's not like the officer is pulling credit card records from myspace. He's reading information that people have voluntarily and publicly posted. Hoofnagle's scenario is really tantamount to a cop collecting data from the paper's classifieds section. Big deal.
I have to agree with keith, myspace isn't the problem. The problem is kids not being responsible and careful - lacking SA, even. Myspace is just a venue. If a bunch of teenagers started posting personal contact information on PS.com faster than TS could kill them, predators would show up here too. The real solution is not to ban myspace or AOL chat, but to teach kids to think about what they're doing.
Team Sergeant
04-24-2006, 10:05
Myspace is just a venue. If a bunch of teenagers started posting personal contact information on PS.com faster than TS could kill them, predators would show up here too.
Negative.
Unlike myspace.com we have no sponsors, no advertising, no millions of dollars rolling in to this website to prejudice our thinking. We could and would remove children as fast as they show up.
Get a grip pinhead, who the hell do you think is spending the bucks on the advertising at myspace.com and who do you think the target audience is, children, get rid of them, I don’t think so.
Team Sergeant
Warrior-Mentor
04-24-2006, 10:55
I'm not an advocate
TFM:
Not an advocate of myspace or not an advocate of "Spytech Spyagent"?
DunbarFC
04-24-2006, 11:02
Companies are now doing myspace searches as part of background checks
A lot of college seniors are finding that posting about being drunk all the time or half naked slutty pictures might not be the best choice they ever made
Warrior-Mentor
04-24-2006, 11:08
Bet you more than one cries "no fair!"
DunbarFC
04-24-2006, 11:12
Bet you more than one cries "no fair!"
Oh I'm sure
That anyone would put that type of stuff up on a site where anyone can see it is just flat out nuts.
The internet is a great thing. But like a lot of great things it can really bite you in the backside if you fail to understand how powerful it is first
That actually happened to one of my friends, he had posted a drunk picture of himself stealing some sign or something like that and Raytheon called him on it. I have an account on there but it's mostly to stay updated with when some small bands that I like are playing.
QuietObserver
04-24-2006, 14:05
I have been a member of Myspace from its inception. There are Pro's and Con's to the site.
Pro's :
1. It is a good place to meet new friends or just find old one's. I have personally reconnected with a number of grade school mates I haven't spoken to in years.
2. The search functions allow you to search your area or other zip codes for people of your age or interest.
3. The group function allows you to search and join groups that are in line with your wown interest.
Con's:
1. There are no guidelines for honesty regarding age, location, sex or pictures which means that anybody joining can be anyone else, including a sexual predator. Big Con!
2. The group function previously mentioned is usually made up of a buch of kid "wanna-be's" who just cuss at each other instead of discussing real issues like adults. Thank you QuietProfessionals!
3. Pictures can be deceiving. On a personal note, I am 22 and have gone on date through myspace. Needles to say, the lady's picture did not quite represent her current physique... by about 30lbs. But then again I met a girl who I had a great relationship with so the possibilities are still there.
In conclusion there are some great pitfalls to Myspace which one must be wary of, especially the nieve young. But it can be a fun tool for finding advice and friends. I recommend you try it out or at least look into it before criticizing it because of what you've sen on tv..
DunbarFC
04-25-2006, 04:24
I have been a member of Myspace from its inception. There are Pro's and Con's to the site.
Pro's :
1. It is a good place to meet new friends or just find old one's. I have personally reconnected with a number of grade school mates I haven't spoken to in years.
2. The search functions allow you to search your area or other zip codes for people of your age or interest.
3. The group function allows you to search and join groups that are in line with your wown interest.
Con's:
1. There are no guidelines for honesty regarding age, location, sex or pictures which means that anybody joining can be anyone else, including a sexual predator. Big Con!
2. The group function previously mentioned is usually made up of a buch of kid "wanna-be's" who just cuss at each other instead of discussing real issues like adults. Thank you QuietProfessionals!
3. Pictures can be deceiving. On a personal note, I am 22 and have gone on date through myspace. Needles to say, the lady's picture did not quite represent her current physique... by about 30lbs. But then again I met a girl who I had a great relationship with so the possibilities are still there.
In conclusion there are some great pitfalls to Myspace which one must be wary of, especially the nieve young. But it can be a fun tool for finding advice and friends. I recommend you try it out or at least look into it before criticizing it because of what you've sen on tv..
I have seen it
I've done checks for our HR department on potential new hires with it
Unlike myspace.com we have no sponsors, no advertising, no millions of dollars rolling in to this website to prejudice our thinking. We could and would remove children as fast as they show up.
Off the topic a little, did you know the guy who made it, Tom, and his team got paid something like $580 million for the site? Sold it for $580 million. Makes me wonder why I didn't think of it first.
The guy who bought it owns a bunch of advertising agencies, and was looking for a way to get ads to "teenagers who don't watch tv or read news papers and magazines".
That may also answer why they're not making huge efforts to remove anybody. As long as they're staring at ads, the company is happy.
Slantwire
04-25-2006, 16:22
Unlike myspace.com we have no sponsors, no advertising, no millions of dollars rolling in to this website to prejudice our thinking. We could and would remove children as fast as they show up.
TS -
My apologies. I merely meant that if a bunch of teenyboppers got it into their heads to post contact information on website XYZ, that the predators would follow to XYZ. I used PS.com for XYZ partly for rhetorical convenience, and partly because of the vast difference you cite. My argument was that it doesn't have to be myspace in particular or a listing site in general, predators will show up wherever the kiddies think to congregate.
The thought of you being unable to mow down loiterers quickly was, naturally, pure hyperbole.
Team Sergeant
04-25-2006, 16:44
Off the topic a little, did you know the guy who made it, Tom, and his team got paid something like $580 million for the site? Sold it for $580 million. Makes me wonder why I didn't think of it first.
The guy who bought it owns a bunch of advertising agencies, and was looking for a way to get ads to "teenagers who don't watch tv or read news papers and magazines".
That may also answer why they're not making huge efforts to remove anybody. As long as they're staring at ads, the company is happy.
Want to bet that as you "fill out your profile" there is software that reads that profile and delivers spam to your webpage, email address or home? Sorta like how google reads your personal email and then delivers home made spam...........
A bunch of folks at my wife's office got into trouble for having MySpace accounts. I guess they were all chatting or blogging or whateverthefuck during work hours. On top of that several folks had explicitly displayed their names, pictures, who the employer was and explicitly talked about how they hated the employer and why.
Team Sergeant
04-25-2006, 17:10
TS -
My argument was that it doesn't have to be myspace in particular or a listing site in general, predators will show up wherever the kiddies think to congregate.
And knowing that extreme measures should be taken......
It’s all about money.
I've not met many that sell goods or services that still had their integrity intact. I've met no one since I've retired and moved to Arizona, real-estate agents, contractors, senators car sales, governors, car wash owners to the man (or woman) all lacked integrity.
You see if this website were to become inundated with kids or criminals we would shut it down to the public, its called integrity.
Funny how a twenty year stint in the service doing the same job day in day out one can keep their integrity intact. In the service it ain’t about money, never has been, not to those that stay anyway.
I don’t care if you make $24,000, $240,000, or $24 million if you’ve sold your integrity to earn that money you’re right up there with the bottom feeders of society. They know who they are…… kinda like hitting home runs on steroids, you might fool most but you’ve sold your integrity and you ain’t getting it back.
TS
Unwilling to sell snowballs to Eskimos, no matter how much I earned......
You see if this website were to become inundated with kids or criminals we would shut it down to the public, its called integrity.
I hope it never comes to that, I would miss this site tremendously.
Warrior-Mentor
04-25-2006, 17:46
TS,
Interesting you have had that experience. From the books I've read about the leaders of industries...they all swear by integrity...take Warren Buffet as a prime example.
He's famous for saying "Don't do anything that you wouldn't want your mother to see printed in the New York Times. It takes a life time to build a reputation and only a couple minutes to destroy it."
Another example, from the flip side of society, is organized crime. Although they function from a completely different set of ethics than you or I, they still need and require integrity. If they can't trust you, they kill you.
Businesses, as organizations, that can't be trusted (by consumers) go out of business. That's why businesses that stand behind their products, do the right thing when something goes wrong, etc can stay in business. Otherwise customers would go else where.
ENRON and WORLDCOM are the exception IMO. Just like murderers and other criminals are the exception to normal society. We see them on the news BECAUSE they are the exception. You'll never see the evening news (cutie Katie) report "millions of honest Americans went to work today, living the American dream...details at 6:00"
My take.
JM
I use it mainly to keep in touch with family, everything else is boring to me.
http://www.myspace.com/bergheilnc
Team Sergeant
06-09-2006, 11:16
TS,
Interesting you have had that experience. From the books I've read about the leaders of industries...they all swear by integrity...take Warren Buffet as a prime example.
My take.
JM
One of the richest men in the world, sold his integrity that he also swore by (see below). CEO of Enron, convicted felon, Martha, convicted felon, need I go on?:rolleyes:
Google co-founder says company is staying in China By Joel Rothstein
Fri Jun 9, 12:41 AM ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Google Inc. is committed to doing business in China despite criticism the company has faced for abiding by Chinese government censorship restrictions, co-founder Sergey Brin said this week.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060609/wr_nm/google_china_dc_1
And yet another heart warming MYSPACE story...... Lets hear from all those parents, "my little girl is too smart to fall for......." This little girl is very smart and did indeed fall for an evil person, on the internet, on MYSPACE.
TS
Jordan Detains Michigan Girl En Route to Israel to Meet Man From MySpace.com
Friday, June 09, 2006
SAGINAW, Mich. — Jordanian authorities have detained a 16-year-old Michigan girl who told her parents she was going to Canada but then got on a plane to the Middle East to see a West Bank man she met on the popular Web site MySpace.com.
Katherine Lester left Monday — apparently to visit a man whose MySpace account says he is a 25-year-old from Jericho, Tuscola County Undersheriff James Jashinske said Friday. On Thursday night, her family received word from U.S. officials that she had been stopped as she arrived in Amman, Jordan, en route to Tel Aviv, Israel, said her mother, Shawn Lester.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,198848,00.html
jasonglh
06-09-2006, 12:11
How does a 16 year old purchase a ticket to Jordan and then pass the gauntlet of airport security by herself?
So her parents allowed her on an unsupervised trip to another country without looking further into it? Good job, mom and dad. :rolleyes:
Mud Puppy
06-09-2006, 13:30
I am sure that myspace is fun and entertaining. However, anyone with children, grandchildren etc MUST know what is being posted. Quit worrying about "violating juniors space". This should be common sense.
Example of parents lack of SA:
14 y/o daughter posted to myspace as a 19 y/o. A 36 y/o posted as a 22 y/o. They had MONTHs of contact both on myspace and cellphone. His contact was always about sex. 14 y/o had posted actual name and address. He constantly asked to come over for sex. She agreed. His def to the charges, he thought she was at least 16. During his testimony he said that he had met numerous girls (including his barely legal wife) via myspace.
I had the pleasure of remanding him. Soon he will get to find out himself, how some of the things he did to her hurt.
brewmonkey
06-09-2006, 15:06
How does a 16 year old purchase a ticket to Jordan and then pass the gauntlet of airport security by herself?
She did not buy the ticket, the dude apparently bought it for her. She then snuck off while mom was on some errands.
As for mom & dad, they are divorced and girl lives with mom. It was mom who apparently discovered where she had gone and then turned the computer over for further forensic studies to locate the girl. The girls step mother works for a local PD and was apparently able to get things moving according to a few articles that I read this afternoon.
Myspace is a messed up place and all one has to do is check out sites like pervertedjustice.com to see how many people they have busted through places like that. PeeJ is a group of volunteers dedicated to taking down those scubags who prey on kids and they get a lot of them through Myspace.
bandycpa
06-09-2006, 17:36
It’s all about money.
I've not met many that sell goods or services that still had their integrity intact. I've met no one since I've retired and moved to Arizona, real-estate agents, contractors, senators car sales, governors, car wash owners to the man (or woman) all lacked integrity.
TS,
I must respectfully disagree with your including most businesspeople as being disingenous and lacking integrity. I own my own business, and know that I have integrity ("not trying to sell snowballs to Eskimos"). A lot of us (especially the smaller guys) are making a living just like everybody else. We just had the guts to step out on our own; and, for some of us anyway, the desire to apply our trade for the good of those around us.
I have found that, if it's truly all about the money for a businessman, he loses focus of the customer and the employees and their families' well-being that he has been entrusted with. This leads to a lack of quality in the goods or services he provides, which leads to that business eventually being weeded out. Excellence prevails. Fly-by-nights drift off unceremoniously into the sunset.
I'd like to think those you've met in Arizona are either exceptions to the rule, or badly misjudged. Either way, I cannot accept your point of view on this matter.
Bandy
Warrior-Mentor
06-09-2006, 20:55
One of the richest men in the world, sold his integrity that he also swore by (see below). CEO of Enron, convicted felon, Martha, convicted felon, need I go on?:rolleyes:
TS
Gotta concur with Bandy on this one.
Could it be you're focusing on a couple bad incidents and not noticing the millions of good ones?
Isn't that what the liberal media does?
JM
Team Sergeant
06-09-2006, 21:01
Gotta concur with Bandy on this one.
Could it be you're focusing on a couple bad incidents and not noticing the millions of good ones?
Isn't that what the liberal media does?
JM
Just looking at some of the leaders..........:rolleyes:
TS - Things look bad right now, I'll concede you that. But I am a CEO (itty bitty one) and I've never sold out and never will. My company bends over backwards not to cheat the taxpayer on every govt. contract we reluctantly take on (and in retrospect we've been bending over forwards -- one day we'll get it right ;) ). We support our local community and last year gave 8% of our net to charity.
If someone's in a bind -- many of our clients need an entire budget cycle to get contracts set and funds approved -- we'll deliver on a handshake and risk the loss. We've been burned a few times but people now fight to work with us. The less we focus on money, it seems, the more we make.
I'm nothing special and neither is my company; there are many I know of that are just the same.
I do agree with you about that wretched LEM trigger though. :D
Jack Moroney (RIP)
06-10-2006, 09:37
Journalists used to play a key role, now they play to their own agendas. With the media blitz today and the speed at which they rush to put things on the air or in print they rarely do their research and often work from pre-conceived notions and unvalidated information. If there is a segment in this "free society" that I do not trust (and with good reason) it is journalists. The only thing that they have done well is perpetuate their own profession by screwing the pooch at every strike of the keyboard. If these clowns were road crews they would be divided into two groups: one to dig holes and the other to fill them in as part of a never ending do-loop.
Team Sergeant
06-10-2006, 10:01
Gotta concur with Bandy on this one.
Could it be you're focusing on a couple bad incidents and not noticing the millions of good ones?
Isn't that what the liberal media does?
JM
OK, let me put it this way......
Whom do you think those millions look up to as far as a business mentor?
What do you think they think when they watch the co-founder of google doing a 180 and making excuses for being a hypocrite, liar, fraud, Oppresser etc?
I've met too business owners, most here in Arizona, that say one thing and then, do not live up to their word. IMO the only thing many drives most owners is money.
Morality doesn't exist in the real estate business, building, contruction etc etc etc...
Warrior-Mentor
06-10-2006, 21:17
As for a business role model, I look up to Warren Buffet, who is frequently quoted as saying "It takes years to develop a good reputation and only a couple minutes to destroy it. Never do anything you wouldn't wnt your mother to read on the cover of the NY Times."
Morality doesn't exist in the real estate business, building, contruction etc etc etc...
While having my current house built a few years ago, I developed a similar outlook.
I'm still hopeful something will come along to change my outlook.
- Absolutly there are risks for children on it, responsible parenting and law enforcement can mitigate these risks. Myspace not does make pedophiles, it only is a tool for them, just like how firearms do not make a person commite a violent crime. Technology beit Myspace, firearms or whatever often makes a convenient scapegoat for the ills of society. (Unrelated to my point, but to clear up something previously mentioned, it was Rupert Murdoch who purchased Myspace for close to $600 mil.)
- Respectfuly I disagree with some of the opinions on capitalism posted. However with regaurds to real estate, ha, they are probably on target. If anyone has read the book Freakonomics you may remember the chapter on real estate. (Article about it (http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=1194101&page=1))
frostfire
06-12-2006, 22:49
That is tact and still quite nice...such wit must have come with experience and age:p
something I have yet to master
I tried myspace once...too overwhelming. Facebook seems to be the next myspace. It is supposedly safer.
luvanwilder
06-13-2006, 02:53
Just some general thoughts on this topic....I use myspace as a way to keep in contact with my military and college friends. It can be dangerous if parents fail to monitor their children's web activity and explain to them the importance in this day and age of identity protection. I think a major problem with myspace and our society in general is the lack of parental responsibility. I believe that the responsibility for preventing exploitation lies squarely with the parents and not the company or the government. Pedophiles are the worst kind of scum and have been proven impossible to rehabilitate (which is why they should be executed). For all the bad things that come out of this website I would submit that at least LEOs are able to use it to ferret out these individuals, as well as other criminals stupid enough to incriminate themselves in a public forum and perhaps that is at least some consolation. Bravo to the cyber cops and good hunting in the future.
I also am guilty of having a myspace profile. http://www.myspace.com/9513029
Used primarly for keeping in contact with old friends and members of the Special ops community.
I've got myspace as well, and ditto what luvanwilder stated. As a mother, I find it unconscionable the amount of supervision some parents feel is acceptable. As someone who spent five years working in Assaults/Sex Crimes, the sheer lack of common sense of adults on the internet also became glaringly obvious. From the 40 y/o woman who didn't understand why the guy she found on Match.com and met at a hotel after only a couple of emails wanted to just have sex with her, to the 30-something man who didn't understand why he was being accused of rape after banging some chick he met on the internet and then ignoring her emails and phone messages (he also didn't buy those clothes he promised :rolleyes:). If you go to a site looking for a piece of ass, don't be surprised at what happens after that. At least in a bar, if you're halfway sober, you get to look someone in the eye to see if they peg your psycho-meter.
Jack Moroney (RIP)
06-14-2006, 04:53
I find it unconscionable the amount of supervision some parents feel is acceptable. .
You know, I used to think that maybe I was too "restrictive" on my kids and my nieces and nephews certainly did-they called me, behind my back, the Great Santini. But they turned out fine which is more a tribute to my wife than me. You all are in a different time and place than were we and I sure do not envy you having to deal with all the absolute crap that wasn't around 40 years ago when my kids were small.
As a single mother to a 7 y/o boy, I have little sympathy. Over the course of his life I have worked both shift work and 2-3 jobs at a time to make ends meet (his father doesn't provide much in that regard), not out of choice. Yet somehow he doesn't spend his days vegging on the couch playing video games, watching TV, or on the computer. His babysitter understands and supports my feelings on the matter, and she keeps him and her own children busy outside or doing crafts-related activities during the day. Life is about choices...you can raise your children, or you can turn around one day and wonder where the hell you went wrong.
Which isn't to say that some of the best parents in the world haven't ended up with some positively evil children and vice versa...but that's the exception, not the norm.
I've been using myspace for about a year or so now. I initially signed up to it so I could do some research for a project we were doing at my company, but I actually came to enjoy it quite a bit.
My main dig there is music. There's tons of bands with music and video that I would never get exposed to without it. I think a fairly large chunk of the population on the site is there for similar reasons.
My gf joined up for similar reasons, but she has made some good friends there as have I. Our 4 year old daughter enjoys looking at the pictures, but that's about it so far :)
j
My daughter (25) Just got on it a couple months ago. I was asking her about it. She mentioned all the music as well. She posts pics of her daughter who is 10mos old now. She also found some old friends from High School, which have now all gotten together a couple times.
Loadsmasher
06-19-2006, 04:54
Having done a lot of research on this subject I though I could add a few points to the discussion.
As part of graduating with a sociology degree (save the jokes) I focused on internet related communication. Message boards, instant messaging, blogging and profile sites like Myspace were the crux of my study. The info that I gathered through surveys and interviews blew my mind.
Keep in mind that I was surfing BBSs when everybody used AOL and a connection speed of 56k was unheard of. Anybody who watched a nekkid picture of Tracy Lords load line by line knows exactly what I'm talking about.
90% of college students use Myspace or it's counterpart Facebook. 90%!!!! We can't get 50% of college students to vote, and yet they'll spend hours personalizing their profile and uploading pictures.
Time and time again I would ask cute college girls (side bonus) if they were careful with the info they posted. They always said yes, they would then turn around and tell me they posted class schedules, party locations and even their plans for that evening.
I won't get into the theories behind this behavior but sufficed to say most people are blissfully ignorant of the realities of what happens once they hit the "submit" button.
For those of you who are still active in the military, just think if you were in a situation were you were captured by the enemy. You provide the requisite name, rank, and serial number and how long would it take them to find your page. Those of us who have been through SERE will tell you how debilitating it can be for that interrogator to come in and ask about your father or mother [B]by name[B].
Practice good SA and PERSEC because it can bite you right in the middle of your behind.
That reminds me, I need to punch out the guy who filled out a "buddy" card on me, again.
dmgedgoods
06-20-2006, 22:36
Girl Sues MySpace.com (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=32510)
MyCrimeSpace.com is interesting as well. Rupert Murdoch owns his own little universe.
McD
Check this out:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060621/ap_on_hi_te/myspace_online_safety;_ylt=AiO0fLuhIHQJ3PtxgQkPUeK s0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3cjE0b2MwBHNlYwM3Mzg-
Tex Tackleberry
06-21-2006, 07:56
Jacksonville,News WAWS.
A Jacksonville man says he was duped and robbed by two girls after attempting to meet with a woman he met on the internet.
The victim says he chatted online with a woman, known on her MySpace.com profile as “Natalia”, for two weeks before deciding to meet with her. He says her prfile showed sexy photos, and a blurb which said “just lookin’ for something fun”. That brief, friendly description was all he knew about her before they planned to meet.
"She sent me a message saying she thought she met me somewhere," says the victim.
They decided to meet at what she called her home at the Bentley Green Apartments.
“I went to [the apartment] and knocked on the door, and there was no answer. So I called her and said, ‘I'm here’ and there was no answer."
That is when two girls who were 14 and 15-years-old, approached him saying they knew Natalia, the girl he thought he'd be meeting. They also said they knew where he worked at what car he drove.
"This was not the girl that the picture was of on MySpace," the victim said.
Now sensing something was wrong, he was ready to take off, but was stopped by a shocking discovery.
"[One of the girls] took [a] gun out and put it to my head and told me to empty my pockets."
The girls didn't get much because the victim had forgotten his wallet. They let him go, unharmed, and he called police.
Police did a search of the area and found the two teens with another male suspect. They searched a purse and found two loaded handguns.
Myspace.com may have been developed for friends and music, but this victim had to find out the hard way that not everyone is logging on for the right reasons.
The so-called Natalia did tell the victim that she was 18, so he was shocked to learn he was actually talking to a 14-year-old. He says he has since removed personal information from his MySpace profile, like his salary and the kind of car that he drives.
Those teenagers are now charged with armed robbery and carrying a concealed firearm.
And they said the kids need protection.
AngelsSix
06-26-2006, 19:28
This website is dangerous...as are most dating sites I have perused....investigations are still ongoing. Anyone recall the recent murders of a military woman and her daughter?? Looks like the daughter and the boyfriend were MySpace groupies.
A friend of mine introduced me to myspace in December. I use it for staying in touch with friends, and have had no problems. A simple rule I apply is if I don't know them in real life, I don't add them as a friend.
I've found a lot of old friends on myspace that I don't think I would have gotten in touch with in any other way short of going back home and writing down all of their contact info.
My myspace page:
http://www.myspace.com/vake
My old high school boyfriend found me on MySpace, haven't talked to him in 14 years. Boy did I dodge a bullet with that one!
BMT (RIP)
06-27-2006, 16:47
http://www.woai.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=7F710484-5201-42E7-934B-D86CF9E6B65F :munchin
BMT
http://www.woai.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=7F710484-5201-42E7-934B-D86CF9E6B65F :munchin
BMT
Hah!
They need a disclaimer: Myspace.com is NOT the best place to 'pick up chicks'. They may be lying about their age, and/or apparance, and/or SEX, and/or -very likey- their intentions...
...more often than not, all of the above.:D
Being a high school principal, I have a MySpace account to be able to monitor my student's accounts and track alumni. http://www.myspace.com/iceman726
I also have a blog callled School Dais to discuss educational issues...including the dangers of blogging sites like MySpace for students and families.
http://sfoda726.blogspot.com/
You've got to be careful with your ID. I had to track a student down this year who created a fake MySpace account using my real name and posting false information that was detrimental to our school. The MySpace ffolkes were extremely accomodating in helping me and I wound up identifying and expelling the student. Their willingness to help me led me to believe that this must be a pretty common occurrance for them.
Just heard tonight that it was GONE. No reason given on the news.
From the site:
hello everyone - so there was a power outage in LA yesterday. unfortunately it directly hit the data center where myspace's servers are located. lots of people were affected. the backup power failed and that's why myspace has been screwy since yesterday afternoon. we are still working to get everything back in order. i know what most of the problems are, it's just giong to take awhile to fix them. thx for your patience!
Silver_Panther
08-31-2007, 15:49
From what I've been reading its a great place for pedophiles and child molesters rapist, sexual Predators and Registered Sex Offenders. Let's not forget the high school killers and suicide gang.
Not a day goes by that there isn't another "sad" or sick story in the news about that place.....
Lets not forgot the terrorists.
Myspace may be a terrorist tool used for selective targeting, recruitment, recon and intelligence gathering, propaganda and a tool used for infiltration into the country.
I'll try my best to explain all of these concepts....I'd greatly appreciate it if the special forces community would stick with me through out this post so they could give their input as to if my fears are justified.
Myspace acts as a Terrorist selective targeting site because it will contain the profiles of relatives, and friends of key targets or key targets themselves. Key targets being people connected to military, government, industry, or anything else a terrorist network would deem useful....
Myspace and its past versions under the different names and companies that it evolved from is basically like 1 big filter system for a cyber savvy terrorist, enemy intelligence organization, hacker turned cyber mercenary....
If one had enough time and resources they could go through pictures or profiles looking for military or government marketing’s or other hints to indicate the person was connected to or was a key target.
One terrorist 1000 of miles away could locate 1000s of potential targets using myspace alone, never mind all the other sites like it.
It is a website that narrows down people’s locations, ages, sex, interests, jobs, hobbies and may contain detailed info, a basic psychological profile, and pictures. This is ideal for finding key targets amongst the average society....
So are sites that help veterans connect with old war buddies, or dating sites or sites that help people find each other from high school....
Info could be gathered on a person secretly through the internet, given to a spy to be studied, and then the internet spy approaches the key target or someone close to the key target via one of these sites.
Using scripts based a profile to build an internet relationship of some sorts...and of course remembering to ask how their son/brother/uncle/father in the military/government/industry is doing.
An example of this is this very site I am currently posting in right now. I know it contains Special Forces soldiers and most likely people connected to them.
Just reading forums on this site I could have gather intelligence on things like common usernames, nicknames, former units, general locations, and even what specific computer security soft wear some special forces members use on their PC....
I hope that the members of this website remember the old World War 2 allied motto of "loose lips sink ships"
Info collected from the internet and websites like Myspace or various other profile and discussion sites could be used to develop a psychological profile for the target, and could be used to help track people through the internet from one website posting to another...collecting info as you go until eventually collecting through one of the various ways the jackpot, their IP address....their virtual zip code if you will.
The IP address could then be forwarded to a terrorist member currently working in the telecommunications industry as an internet technician.
The spy technician would punch the ip address into the work data base and would be returned with the Users first and last name, technical info, account info, and home street address.....
Data and lists of IP addresses could be forwarded to the tech spy who gathers first, last names and street address of key targets and forwards it back to the spy network to be used at later dates in attacks.
The attacks could be digitally photographed with the photos then being sent to the myspace accounts and emails of the friends and family members of victims….A very nasty propaganda tool.
Different companies even use different IP ranges, so the spy network would know which specific spy to send the info to.
Corp America even makes things worse with their mergers and partnerships among supposed competitors.
A example of this is Comcast and TWC Roadrunner....Competing companies were trading territories and employees....Sometimes even sharing employees at the higher tech support levels.
They also may have begun out sourcing tech support to India and Asia.
This means 1 person in any call center around the world could have easy and untraceable(by using their co-workers accounts) access to the street address of millions of Americans all across America who have been filtered and identified as being key targets themselves or connected key targets.
Myspace and its cousins, and any other form of internet communication if you aren’t careful could be used to filter out the potential key targets.
Remember “Loose Lips Sink Ships”
All they need is a way to filter out the millions of internet users from the ones that are the key targets, than start tracking the key targets on the internet as best they can, waiting find their IP address.
The key target, a friend of the key target or a relative will have myspace or some variants of it past or present....This gives the terrorist network a filter system in the first place to find these key targets.
Silver_Panther
08-31-2007, 15:51
The second way Myspace could be used as a terrorist targeting system is by scanning profiles and actively targeting people who have facial or physical deformities, over weight, appear to be emotionally unstable, and people who might obviously contain low self esteem. People who are in stressful life situations or troubled times.
With the idea being that is statistically more likely for a terrorist network to systematically and scientifically manipulate the person into blowing themselves up.
Then they would relay info of the selected targets through the internet to a trained and degreed PhD psychologist. Who would help manipulate the person by telling the terrorist exactly what to say based on the persons developing psychological profile.
Sociological information extracting experiments could be conducted over days, weeks, months, or even years. An example of this would be setting up the low self esteem/ lonely person with an online girlfriend or boyfriend or friend network.
This simple tactic could work on many people....The virtual girlfriend or boyfriend would gather personal info on the target and maybe even be used to actively lower the persons self esteem...an example of this is could be as simple as "I promise ill meet you in person tomorrow" and never showing up....
Over the months and years info could be gathered and a fairly accurate psychological profile could be developed.....This profile could be forwarded to a team of 2-5 trained terrorist operatives already in the USA or Europe....
From there the team could casually approach and infiltrate the life of low self esteem target, and use the psychological profile to set up rehearsed social situation and use scripts written by trained doctors to manipulate the person.
Quickly becoming a person of power and influence in their lives.....
Religious influencer would be the ideal position and would be likely to happen eventually because the target would be lonely and have low self-esteem and quite possibly be searching for acceptance and love that comes with god and community....
Once in a position of trust and during a religious discussion in a safe place that would not be disturbed by the outside world the Terrorist religious leader spy could then secretly slip the target a dose of MDMA with out the targets knowledge.....
MDMA is a widely available street drug that causes an extreme euphoric feeling....put it this way on street it goes by the name "heaven".
Long term side effects of the drug include depression caused by the drug creating chemical imbalances and possibly burning cells in the brain to cause prolonged depression.....
When taken it causes the individual to feel very euphoric becoming more trusting, less likely to resist ideas or suggestions, and more talkative, increased sensitivity of sensory perception including feeling, sight, sounds, and smells all perfect things for revealing info, faking a religious experience and manipulating low self esteem person into becoming a suicide bomber.....
Thanks to the internet and myspace, and other profile sites like it that myspace evolved from it’s possible for a team of two or more terrorist spies to have dozens of low self-esteem, mentally disturbed, emotionally unstable, isolated, lonely individuals under their social influence and power.
Who may become unknowingly addicted to drug that worsens depression feelings when not on it and when taken gives them the feeling of going to heaven, which they think is caused by a religious experience found through relationship with god through their religious leader.
All the while unknowingly being targeted by a person skilled at manipulation who is in control of their self esteem and manipulating them with the help of drugs, trained medical doctors and profiles, scripts, social situational set ups, and other various manipulation tactics.
Eventually telling them that its gods will that they die and sacrifice themselves...and only doing so will their past sins be cleaned.....or something along those lines....
This tactic could be also incorporated with some LSD or various other drugs and combined with some hidden speakers so the target actively thinks they hear the literal word of god talking to them.
The literal word of god condemning them about past personal acts would actually be the scripts of the trained psychologists....Who would ideally condemn them for acts which they only confessed to their faceless internet friends...
Since the individual would most likely have forgotten about the random internet friends group by now having been led into knew social structures....they would think it could only be God talking to them because only God would know such personal info.
The religious leader could specifically not ask questions so the target would know they did not tell the religious leader this personal info.
None of that would be possible with out Myspace or the various profile sites that myspace evolved from.
Myspace could be used as a direct and indirect recruitment tool, simply find any teenager in America who hates authority and government, or other people displeased....
The average rebellious teenager couldn’t be convinced to join the Jihad but I think they could be convinced to commit various acts of vandalism or set off fire alarms….
Things that could prove quite tactically significant in a coordinated terrorist attack…If the manipulation was done correctly the individual would not even know that they were being used as a pawn.
Myspace could be used to find employees of specific companies or industries and then contact them and bribe them...
Myspace could be used by a terrorist team to find and manipulate a low self esteem person into marrying a foreign person. Who is their perceived soul mate due to well organized recon, and an accurate psychological profile.
This would make diction by immigration services slightly less likely to happen because the spy would have a profile and written words to study from and memorize combined this with a support team to help the spy always appear to be the perfect lover.
Myspace could be used to form cyber romantic relationships and convince them to expose themselves on web camera so they could be blackmailed with incriminating pictures later on.
Remember folks loose ships sink ships....and it’s not just "my space" it’s your friends and families space, their space, everyone’s space, and the unfortunately terrorist space to....
Roguish Lawyer
08-31-2007, 16:26
One of my former colleagues is an in-house lawyer for myspace. Perhaps I need to take him to lunch or something, eh? :munchin
Seems like a lot of effort for an enemy whose tactical achievements, so far, have been “cruise missiles” consisting of hijacked airliners, IEDs, and “smart bombs” consisting of explosive vests strapped on radical jihadis. :rolleyes:
Pat
The Reaper
08-31-2007, 16:52
Remember folks loose ships sink ships....and it’s not just "my space" it’s your friends and families space, their space, everyone’s space, and the unfortunately terrorist space to....
First, I believe that you are making some real assumptions about terrorist capabilities.
Second, perhaps you should do some more reading on PS.com before condemning people here for security issues. Use the search button here and look for the word OPSEC, SIGSEC, and PERSEC. This is not myspace.
Finally, I encourage any members of AQ who would like to, to come to my home at their convenience. I believe that the visit will be brief, and painful. I have seen their ludicrous training and am not concerned. There are no sheep living at my residence.
TR
The Old Guy
08-31-2007, 17:18
Finally, I encourage any members of AQ who would like to, to come to my home at their convenience. I believe that their visit will be brief, and painful. I have seen their ludicrous training and am not concerned. There are no sheep living at my residence.
TR
Accurate statement that I fully support and wish to extend the same offer.
The problem exists that AQ continues to decline our (US military) offer to face us force on force. I'm not concerned and their visit will be painless and short.
TOG
PS. QP visits welcome and I'll set a place at the table for you.
All they need is a way to filter out the millions of internet users from the ones that are the key targets, than start tracking the key targets on the internet as best they can, waiting find their IP address.
The key target, a friend of the key target or a relative will have myspace or some variants of it past or present....This gives the terrorist network a filter system in the first place to find these key targets.
I think there are plenty of easier ways to get at the key targets you are worried about. I'm not going to go into my particular concerns here (PERSEC and all) but there is a reason my vehicle doesn't sport any ribbons saying "keep my husband safe" or the like.
Silver_Panther
08-31-2007, 17:45
First, I believe that you are making some real assumptions about terrorist capabilities.
Second, perhaps you should do some more reading on PS.com before condemning people here for security issues. Use the search button here and look for the word OPSEC, SIGSEC, and PERSEC. This is not myspace.
Finally, I encourage any members of AQ who would like to, to come to my home at their convenience. I believe that their visit will be brief, and painful. I have seen their ludicrous training and am not concerned. There are no sheep living at my residence.
TR
I agree it sounds out of their capabilities....But are you comfortable with the battle plan of "meh they wont think of it"
Silver_Panther
08-31-2007, 17:46
Also, I wasnt trying to condem anyone....that sounds way more negative then what i was going for...sorry if I offended anyone
Roguish Lawyer
08-31-2007, 18:34
I agree it sounds out of their capabilities....But are you comfortable with the battle plan of "meh they wont think of it"
Unless you have experience not listed in your profile, you would be well served to post a lot less and just read. There is little tolerance here for long speeches about counterterrorism and other such topics by the inexperienced.
Or go to The Arena and give us a detailed report on how the Blazers are going to do this season. Some of us want to know.
Silver_Panther
08-31-2007, 18:41
No experince at all....was just an idea i had....thought it might be entertaining to read....food for thought....I think ill take your advice about not posting for awile though I've already been warned once by the TS before....Hopefully he wont ban me for writing that post. Sorry to offend anyone...I'll try and be less nosey from now on. :(
Roguish Lawyer
08-31-2007, 18:54
No experince at all....was just an idea i had....thought it might be entertaining to read....food for thought....I think ill take your advice about not posting for awile though I've already been warned once by the TS before....Hopefully he wont ban me for writing that post. Sorry to offend anyone...I'll try and be less nosey from now on. :(
Good. To be clear, you have my permission to post about the Blazers in The Arena. If you don't know who the Blazers are, then I will have to report our suspicion that you can't skate to the appropriate authorities and your Canadian passport may be revoked. :)
Silver_Panther
08-31-2007, 19:01
SHHHH dont tell them....MY GOD if they find out I cant skate and iam not much of a beer drinker they will deport me!! I better take figure skating lessons and buy some beer to disguise myself!!:D
82ndtrooper
08-31-2007, 20:35
Unless you have experience not listed in your profile, you would be well served to post a lot less and just read. There is little tolerance here for long speeches about counterterrorism and other such topics by the inexperienced.
Or go to The Arena and give us a detailed report on how the Blazers are going to do this season. Some of us want to know.
There's a team called the Blazers ? :p
Case Study of a Teenage Millionaire: Ashley Qualls
Her numbers are indeed impressive. 17 years old high school dropout. Made more than $1 million. Earns as much as $70K a month now. Owns a website that attracts more than 7 million monthly visitors. I'm referring to Ashley Qualls, a teenage entrepreneur from Detroit and the founder of Whateverlife.com, a free MySpace layouts website....:munchin
Stay safe.
Team Sergeant
09-01-2007, 09:03
No experince at all....was just an idea i had....thought it might be entertaining to read....food for thought....I think ill take your advice about not posting for awile though I've already been warned once by the TS before....Hopefully he wont ban me for writing that post. Sorry to offend anyone...I'll try and be less nosey from now on. :(
If you want entertainment go somewhere else on the internet.
You're done posting for another 6 months.
Use that time to read. Stay off myspace and read a dozen internet news websites daily.
Next time you post anything related to terrorism you'll be gone. Send your terrorism ideas to the RCMP.
You'll not be warned again.
TS
If you want entertainment go somewhere else on the internet.
You're done posting for another 6 months.
Use that time to read. Stay off myspace and read a dozen internet news websites daily.
Next time you post anything related to terrorism you'll be gone. Send your terrorism ideas to the RCMP.
You'll not be warned again.
TS
Guess he was not smart enough to figure out how to do it from his last warning in Apr 06. hummmm Too much My-Space will eat your brain.... OH your never did PM TS to get back on the Good boy listing. 6 months more in the Dungeon for you young man:p
Edited to correct time frame. Damn I need to wear my glasses.
Fiercely Loyal
09-01-2007, 14:40
I have been considering deleting my myspace account. I have deleted most other internet contacts that I had in an effort to stop identity theft. Recently I got an email from usajobs.gov telling me that i was at risk because monster.com had their database hacked and put usajobs.gov at risk also. I like myspace, but the spamming and potential for other people to use your identity is just not setting well with me.
The Reaper
09-01-2007, 19:21
I have been considering deleting my myspace account. I have deleted most other internet contacts that I had in an effort to stop identity theft. Recently I got an email from usajobs.gov telling me that i was at risk because monster.com had their database hacked and put usajobs.gov at risk also. I like myspace, but the spamming and potential for other people to use your identity is just not setting well with me.
Why do you feel a need to put your photos and personal info on the net for others to look at?
TR
BLUF: Myspace allows me to effectively communicate with several friends and loved ones while I'm at home & abroad. My parents, siblings and children are all on Myspace... heck I even talk to my x-wives on Myspace. It gives me another dimension to 'build the network' as well.
Fiercely Loyal
09-08-2007, 02:50
Why do you feel a need to put your photos and personal info on the net for others to look at?
TR
TR,
Mainly I started my Myspace account because most people in my age group have an account. It is very easy for those who I am good friends with that are not in the military to contact me. My account however is very, very limited on personal info. Also it has a private setting where someone would need to know you name or email to add you. Unfortunately before I became OPSEC aware I had more profiles out on the net than just Myspace. Nowadays it also seems a necessary evil to use some of your information thru open source internet to apply for jobs and buy things.
kachingchingpow
10-02-2007, 13:37
A friend of mine approached me a year or 2 ago and mentioned that his son had a myspace account, and wanted me to see if i could find/monitor him (the friend really didn't understand how it worked). I setup an account and found him, and then relayed onto his Dad that everything seemed pretty normal for a 15yo kid (hell... I would've loved to have 200 strippers as friends at 15).
At anyrate, as I trolled in to his "friends" area, admiring his entourage, I found his younger sister... a cute but mature looking 12yo. Not really understanding the risk, she set her account up with her age being 28 or so. There were several posts from adult males on her "wall" with all kinds of remarks and propositions... I'll let your imagination run with that one. At this point, the fun was over, and "it" basically hit the fan at my friends house. Glad I did the detective work and prevented a possible disaster.
For more mature networking site, take a look at www.linkedin.com. This is a true 6 levels of separation type of site that is geared toward professional networking, job research, and keeping in touch with present & former co-workers. I used it to be hired at my current job, and have hired a few of the friends in my network through it.
I started myspace when i was in Iraq, and didnt think about it for months. However, it is a great tool when trying to keep in contact with old friends. Mainly The guys i went to war with.
Myspace is fine as long as you do the following: (I'll start a few recommendations on how to keep it "safe")
1. Set your profile to "private".
ie: only your allowed friends can see you/name and profile. You can also set your "name" to private even.
2. Only accept friends who you "KNOW" and "TRUST".
3. Keep the photos "low profile". I usually don't put "closeups" unless I have a
cap on and/or shades. Use photos where only someone who knows you could recognize you.
4. Have a gooooood password.
ie: Try to use a password similar in style as to what a SIPRNET or JWICS account would need... (they are a pain!).
4. I say this because I know some will say it... DONT GET AN ACCOUNT.
Just my thoughts... others are welcome.
edited for spelling
I started a myspace account when my sons deployed and it has since served as a instrument of comfort. Many times when they returned from missions they would not take the time to send their old man an message and I did not want to bug them and give them the impression I have spent the last 15 months on the edge of my chair with bated breath. However they usually would go on myspace to check for messages from friends and girlfriends, etc. By checking their myspace accounts it was comforting to see they had been online and were back safely.
Just my 2 cents.
And the attraction seems te be how many contacts you can acquire - of which more than half they probably have no idea who they really are
Seems an accurate description.
Seems an accurate description.
"MS, the world of false advertisement and child molesters".
I have run into countless individuals who claim they are something militarily and from simple observance of their pictures, one can tell they are lying.
I also agree that most (over 90% from random observance) have countless friends from all over the country/world, so this is a fair assumption. My use is simply to maintain/reestablish contact with individuals I've served with and/or went to college with. You seem to loose touch with some individuals whom you wish would have stayed in touch with. Its a simple solution to correct that and vice versa. I was once a MS hater but now, I don't mind it for practical purposes. If you use common sense and make OPSEC paramount, you'll be fine. I don't know if I would let my daughter (If I had one) use it. Just my .02 cents... back to reading and PTing. Later
PP
The Reaper
10-19-2007, 05:11
"MS, the world of false advertisement and child molesters".
I have run into countless individuals who claim they are something militarily and from simple observance of their pictures, one can tell they are lying.
I also agree that most (over 90% from random observance) have countless friends from all over the country/world, so this is a fair assumption. My use is simply to maintain/reestablish contact with individuals I've served with and/or went to college with. You seem to loose touch with some individuals whom you wish would have stayed in touch with. Its a simple solution to correct that and vice versa. I was once a MS hater but now, I don't mind it for practical purposes. If you use common sense and make OPSEC paramount, you'll be fine. I don't know if I would let my daughter (If I had one) use it. Just my .02 cents... back to reading and PTing. Later
PP
IF you have one, I think you will have a different opinion to go with her.
There are plenty of other ways to stay in touch with people.
TR
Myspace is fine as long as you do the following: (I'll start a few recommendations on how to keep it "safe")
1. Set your profile to "private".
ie: only your allowed friends can see you/name and profile. You can also set your "name" to private even.
2. Only accept friends who you "KNOW" and "TRUST".
3. Keep the photos "low profile". I usually don't put "closeups" unless I have a
cap on and/or shades. Use photos where only someone who knows you could recognize you.
4. Have a gooooood password.
ie: Try to use a password similar in style as to what a SIPRNET or JWICS account would need... (they are a pain!).
4. I say this because I know some will say it... DONT GET AN ACCOUNT.
Just my thoughts... others are welcome.
edited for spelling
A few more to add.
3a. Don't use a close up picture of your face, that is on the top of your profile.
5. Don't use your regular email account, set up a junk email acct and use that.
6. Don't use your real name. Make something up.
7. Don't use your real home town.
It makes it impossible for friend's to find you, but you can find them. I mainly use it, for family and friends.
dmgedgoods
10-19-2007, 06:23
A few more to add.
3a. Don't use a close up picture of your face, that is on the top of your profile.
5. Don't use your regular email account, set up a junk email acct and use that.
6. Don't use your real name. Make something up.
7. Don't use your real home town.
It makes it impossible for friend's to find you, but you can find them. I mainly use it, for family and friends.
How about just don't use it at all. It is an ad-ridden crap site, yet 1 out of every 4 Americans has had or still has a myspace account. That is disturbing.
Shawn
How about just don't use it at all. It is an ad-ridden crap site, yet 1 out of every 4 Americans has had or still has a myspace account. That is disturbing.
Shawn
Because then I wouldn't be able to check out my hot ass Sister-in-law. :D
dmgedgoods
10-19-2007, 18:13
Because then I wouldn't be able to check out my hot ass Sister-in-law. :D
Indeed...reason enough I suppose. I won't lie, I had a myspace page only at the prodding of my wife. My picture was of a hand grenade, summing up how I felt about what I was doing at the time. :)
Shawn
Longtab said: "heck I even talk to my x-wives"
Dude, how many wives have you had???
;)
Its a networking tool...
I keep it at arms length distance...
nothing too revealing... nothing too intimate.
I watch who sends me freind requests... there are
plenty of phishers, spamers and other deviants there.
Y
Firewolf
11-08-2007, 20:28
if you are logged in and click to use a feature and it says something like, "You must be logged in to use this feature, please enter your password," etc...don't do it, it's likely a sham, and if you do do it and then nothing happens, and you click to use the feature and it asks again, it is definitely a sham to steal your info.
You should use firefox. I use myspace, and report those fraudulent pages so that when other firefox users get linked to it, a web forgery warning pops up.
You just need to be smart. I wouldn't write anything on myspace that I wouldn't write on a bathroom wall.