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Team Sergeant
04-12-2006, 07:41
It would seem I was right about eric haney, he was just a Ranger and not Special Forces qualified and not a member of Special Forces.


Delta Force Vets Dismiss Claims Of 'The Unit' Writer
By RICHARD LARDNER rlardner@tampatrib.com

Published: Apr 11, 2006

Eric Haney has made much out of his time as a member of Delta Force, America's clandestine counterterrorism outfit.
Way too much, according to former Delta Force officers and operators, who say Haney has embellished his résumé and fabricated other parts of his military career on his way to becoming an acclaimed author and a key contributor to the CBS television series "The Unit."

Now, as Haney's star rises in Hollywood and throughout the mainstream media, those who served with him say they've had enough. They're going public with withering critiques, describing Haney as a self-serving pretender seeking fame and money.

"It's always disturbing when a former member of the organization does something that lacks integrity," said retired Army Lt. Col. Lewis "Bucky" Burruss, who was assigned to Delta in November 1977 when the organization was formally activated.

Logan Fitch, Haney's former Delta squadron commander, said Haney's comments and conduct since he left the military more than a decade ago have earned him "persona non grata" status. He is banned from Delta facilities, reunions and commemorative events.

"I don't know of any [ex-Delta troops] who are sympathetic to Haney," said Fitch, who joined Delta shortly after Burruss did.

"I have no problem with him capitalizing on his experience, but he should be factual. I view him as a crass opportunist interested in personal gain," he said.

"The Unit," which premiered March 7 and has received solid Nielsen ratings, is based on Haney's autobiography, "Inside Delta Force." The show airs Tuesday evenings, and Haney is the program's supervising producer, technical adviser and co-writer.

Published in May 2002, "Inside Delta Force" advertises Haney as a "founding member" of the organization.

The book is filled with gripping accounts of Delta's brutal physical and psychological training regimen, the tight bonds forged among the troops, and top-secret missions to desolate locations, including the failed 1980 attempt to rescue U.S. hostages in Iran.

One of the most compelling episodes involves a Nicaraguan-born Army Green Beret whom Haney befriended while both were trying out for Delta in the fall of 1978. Five years later, Haney wrote, he would encounter this U.S. soldier-turned-Sandinista commando on a mountaintop in Honduras and kill him with a rifle shot during an intense firefight.

Burruss said he has never read Haney's book and never will. He's certain, though, the episode did not occur.

"It didn't happen. Period," said Burruss, who became Delta's deputy commander in June 1983 and spent nine years with the supersecret organization.

Mel Wick agreed with Burruss. Wick was assigned to Delta in November 1977 and served 16 years with the unit. He spent the last 3 1/2 as Delta's highest-ranking enlisted operator.

"He did not encounter his 'selection course roommate' - or anyone else - in the jungles of Central America and kill him," Wick wrote in a March 8 e-mail to the Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly after Haney appeared on "The O'Reilly Factor."

Haney "consistently takes credit for missions he was never on and things he never did in his book and in his public appearances," Wick's message said.

Wick provided the e-mail to The Tampa Tribune but declined to comment further.

Haney did not respond to a request for an interview, but provided a brief comment through his literary agent, Frank Weimann.

"I have nothing but respect for my former comrades," Haney said. "But I stand by everything in my book."

Weimann, an agent with The Literary Group International in New York, said Haney "doesn't feel the need to engage in pointless rhetoric."

"This is a newer version of Swift Boating," Weimann said, referring to the campaign by Navy Vietnam veterans to discredit 2004 presidential candidate John Kerry's military service.

Before joining Delta Force, Haney was an Army Ranger. William Sears, a retired staff sergeant who served with him in the 1st Ranger Battalion, said Haney is being criticized unfairly.

"Eric is not a liar. He's not anti-American," Sears said. "The fact that he's got a different opinion is what has gotten him into trouble with these people."

No Co-Founders
To those unfamiliar with the Delta fraternity, Haney casting himself as one of Delta's founding members might seem a minor infraction, a question of semantics. To those present at the creation, however, the claim is blasphemy.

"The only founder of the Delta Force was Charlie Beckwith," Burruss said. "There were no co-founders."

Haney was assigned to Delta in December 1978, according to Burruss, nearly 13 months after the organization was established. Haney would not become a qualified Delta operator until mid-1979.

Beckwith, a charismatic and controversial Army colonel, risked his career fighting for a more flexible special operations organization - one able to adapt quickly to unconventional threats such as an airplane hijacking.

Eventually, top military leaders directed Beckwith to create a counterterrorism team that would specialize in quick-strike, hostage-rescue missions. The hypersecret unit was named 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment-Delta. More simply, it was called Delta Force.

Beckwith died of natural causes in 1994 at age 65.

His daughter, Connie Beckwith Howe, has kept close ties with many of the soldiers picked by Beckwith to get Delta up and running. She has never met or spoken to Haney.

"People think he helped my dad start the unit, and he didn't," she said. "I haven't read Haney's book, and I don't care to."

Haney spent eight years with Delta Force, according to his book. In 1986, because of the mental and physical demands of the job, he was wrestling with whether to stay. Then, in rapid order, he received promotions to sergeant major and then command sergeant major, the highest rank an enlisted soldier can achieve in the Army.

With room for only one command sergeant major at Delta, Haney said the decision effectively was made for him. He asked for an assignment with an infantry unit and eventually retired from the Army in 1990.

A page from one of his final Delta efficiency reports is reprinted in his book. Haney is called an "outstanding" member of the organization, a soldier who is "tough, quiet and exceptionally talented."

Who thought so highly of Haney is not known, however, because the rater's name is not included on the document.

Average Performer
Wick said Haney never got above a four-man team leader position with Delta. His promotions to sergeant major and command sergeant major came after he left the organization, Wick said.

"He was a mediocre performer at best and not highly regarded by other unit members," Wick wrote in his e-mail to O'Reilly. "He liked to talk about how good he was instead of living it everyday."

Given Delta's demanding standards, mediocre would have made Haney a star in almost any other combat unit, Wick said, alluding to the caliber of Delta's personnel.

Released less than a year after the Sept. 11 attacks, "Inside Delta Force" received stellar reviews for providing a still-stunned American public with insights about the elite organization that was tracking Osama bin Laden and his al-Qaida associates.

With his counterterrorism background and willingness to share details, Haney began appearing on national radio and television news programs, including "The O'Reilly Factor," "Inside Edition" and "Larry King Live."

In 2003, Haney met and began working with writer/director David Mamet on one of Mamet's film projects. That led to a creative collaboration that resulted in "The Unit," according to information posted on the CBS Web site.

The action drama "follows a covert team of Special Forces operatives as they risk their lives on undercover missions around the globe, while their families maintain the home front, protecting their husbands' secrets," according to CBS.

The network has ordered 13 episodes of the program.

20th Century Fox Television is producing "The Unit." Company spokesman Chris Alexander would not say how much Haney is being paid, citing a longstanding practice of not discussing contract compensation.

Beyond the show, Haney has emerged as a sharp critic of the war in Iraq, telling the Los Angeles Daily News last month that President Bush had launched an "utter debacle" and "may well have started the third world war."

Credibility Questioned
Fitch, the former Delta squadron commander, said Haney's credibility to make such statements is undermined by inaccuracies in his book.

When Delta Force landed in the Iranian desert in April 1980 to stage the rescue of more than 50 Americans taken hostage months earlier, the Americans encountered a bus full of civilians traveling down a dirt road.

The bus was stopped and boarded by Delta operators. According to Haney's account, Fitch led the way. As he neared the rear of the bus, a young Iranian "jumped up and punched Logan in the nose," Haney wrote.

That never happened, Fitch said.

"If someone had hit me, I probably would have shot him," he said.

"I read 'Inside Delta Force' once, put it down in disgust and haven't picked it up since," Fitch said.

Team Sergeant
04-12-2006, 07:42
Dick Davis spent 15 years in Delta Force, succeeding Wick as the unit's command sergeant major in 1994. Davis said Haney has been trying to profit from his Delta experience since the mid-1990s, when he tried to claim copyright to the organization's emblem, a sword overlaid by a triangle-shaped thunderbolt.

Other individuals were responsible for the logo design, Davis said, and Haney's claim was rejected.

Haney's book revealed too much about the organization's inner workings, potentially putting people and programs at risk, he said.

"I don't have a lot time for Eric Haney," Davis said. "What he has done is break faith with the troops."

In a statement to The Tampa Tribune, the top spokesman at U.S. Special Operations Command noted that service members who have access to classified information are required to sign an agreement stating they will not disclose that information.

But Army Col. Sam Taylor would not say whether Haney's book violated that agreement. Military authorities were not given an opportunity to review "Inside Delta Force" before it was published, he said, but the command "and other government entities" did review it afterward.

Those authorities determined, "based on various factors, that no further action was warranted at that time," Taylor said.

"The book may, as with all books that purport to reveal historical events from an individual perspective, be biased, incomplete, contain elements of questionable accuracy or simply be wrong," he said. "Socom does not intend to specifically identify those areas."

Basicload
04-12-2006, 07:54
Team Sergeant,

You are correct, EH retained his 11B PMOS while in the unit and did not transition to 18 like some others do for "better career management". When he departed the unit he returned to being a regular 11B.

Karma is a bitch Mr. Haney....

R/

DA Chuck

Team Sergeant
04-12-2006, 08:05
Team Sergeant,

You are correct, EH retained his 11B PMOS while in the unit and did not transition to 18 like some others do for "better career management". When he departed the unit he returned to being a regular 11B.

Karma is a bitch Mr. Haney....

R/

DA Chuck


Just so the Rangers on here understand.... I'm not putting down Rangers, I'm just making those aware that Mr Haney was not a Special Forces soldier. He was never a Quiet Professional.

TS

The Reaper
04-12-2006, 09:48
At least two former Delta commanders have told me personally that Haney was not a good NCO there.

TR

NousDefionsDoc
04-12-2006, 10:21
He will have to come out with a stronger response than that, it will be interesting to see.

Hollywood won't care...

Jthor
04-12-2006, 14:03
The Army's answer to Dick Marcinko?

Bill Harsey
04-12-2006, 14:09
The Army's answer to Dick Marcinko?
Keep Marcinko out of this thread or Patches will get all fired up.

Not a good comparison.

The Reaper
04-12-2006, 14:19
The Army's answer to Dick Marcinko?

Hey, speaking of Dick, anybody else see Marcinko signing autographs in the Strider booth at SHOT?:munchin

TR

Warrior-Mentor
04-12-2006, 14:21
That's gonna leave a mark. :munchin

Team Sergeant
04-12-2006, 14:34
Hey, speaking of Dick, anybody else see Marcinko signing autographs in the Strider booth at SHOT?:munchin

TR

Yeah, I went looking for Mick and some young boy asked if I was "looking for the man". (This young boy was working for/with Marcinko. Had on a tee shirt with allo sorts of killer logos :rolleyes: )

I said yes I was and asked "When will Mick Strider be back?"

His look was priceless....

Team Sergeant
04-12-2006, 14:35
Keep Marcinko out of this thread or Patches will get all fired up.

Not a good comparison.


I thought it was damn funny!:D

Smokin Joe
04-12-2006, 19:48
Very interesting article and insight, thank you, TS.

Basicload
04-12-2006, 20:01
Just so the Rangers on here understand.... I'm not putting down Rangers, I'm just making those aware that Mr Haney was not a Special Forces soldier. He was never a Quiet Professional.

TS

Hey boss,

No offense taken here. We have all had mates that we are not proud of. Although Mr. Haney was before my time.

As for Ranger Bashing, its all good, but in a "team room we are bros" kinda way.

I'm the new guy and don't plan on any 18 series shots across the bow for laughs, lest I get a shot on the chin. :eek: I'm just here to contribute when I can.:) Working side by side with Green Hats since 2003 has given this former Bat boy a little SA.:cool:

Cheers,

DA Chuck

longrange1947
04-13-2006, 19:16
I personnally knew the 7th Grouper that Haney refers to as a Sandanista and he, Haney, is full of crap. And I will stand by that statement. :mad:

TFM
04-14-2006, 08:20
Reading this book I thought there were definitley things better left unsaid. It was obvious too that the man loved to stroke his ego, whether his statements were true or not.

Texian
04-15-2006, 15:54
Guess I'l take everything in it with several grains of salt as I did with Andy McNab's books about SAS.

Team Sergeant
04-15-2006, 15:57
Guess I'l take everything in it with several grains of salt as I did with Andy McNab's books about SAS.

You would have been better served by ordering "Peter Pan".

TS

Pete
04-15-2006, 16:30
Guys;

I have found that when sitting in a relaxed place, GB Club comes to mind, with friends the water was always a little deeper, the wind a little colder and the night a little darker. The DZ was shorter, the trees taller and the wind was blowing harder. The stories were a little better than real life.

With that said, in anything we do, there were other people there also. You can puff a little bit and nobody will call you down on it.

But there comes a line that some cross and the others then say "I really don't remember it that way." "That's not the way it was."

When a story has a whole bunch on this side and one or two on that side and they were all there, well then......

Pete

Known to stretch a fact or two while downing a brew, but only with friends who stretch back a little their own darn self.

rubberneck
04-15-2006, 16:43
I can't comment on any of this as I have no grounds to but I find it really sad that a man would trade the friendship of former teammates for money or fame. You can't put a price tag on somethings. One would think that is one of them. I apologize for leaving my lane.

NousDefionsDoc
04-15-2006, 16:44
Guys;

I have found that when sitting in a relaxed place, GB Club comes to mind, with friends the water was always a little deeper, the wind a little colder and the night a little darker. The DZ was shorter, the trees taller and the wind was blowing harder. The stories were a little better than real life.

With that said, in anything we do, there were other people there also. You can puff a little bit and nobody will call you down on it.

But there comes a line that some cross and the others then say "I really don't remember it that way." "That's not the way it was."

When a story has a whole bunch on this side and one or two on that side and they were all there, well then......

Pete

Known to stretch a fact or two while downing a brew, but only with friends who stretch back a little their own darn self.


LOL - Note to self: When you finally go home home, first stop is GBC to have a beer with Pete, Reaper and The Boyz.

Texian
04-15-2006, 17:15
You would have been better served by ordering "Peter Pan".

TS
I cancelled the order as per your advice, Team Sergeant. However, rather than order "Peter Pan," I ordered a book called "Verbal Judo." Thought it might be more usefull. Thanks for the heads up.

The Reaper
04-15-2006, 17:38
LOL - Note to self: When you finally go home home, first stop is GBC to have a beer with Pete, Reaper and The Boyz.

Done deal, Lucille, long as I can buy the first round.

TR

Q
04-15-2006, 18:35
Rick B., When was that? If it was the same incident. I wasn't directly involved but I met a guy in 3/7 once and he turned up dead on the border. The story I heard had nothing to do with EH.

CPTAUSRET
04-15-2006, 19:16
LOL - Note to self: When you finally go home home, first stop is GBC to have a beer with Pete, Reaper and The Boyz.


Sneaky, let me know when that happens. I will try to head that way.

Terry

BamBam
04-15-2006, 19:26
I knew the guy too Rick, at the time he was a good SF soldier and was my friend. I'll stand by your statement with you buddy and be damed some phony ass liar. In fact I would I have no problem going face to face with him over any of his BS. Hell if you remember I went face to face with 21/2 ton one night in a far off place. Were we drunk or what? To this day and still think I won.

Team Sergeant
04-15-2006, 19:53
I cancelled the order as per your advice, Team Sergeant. However, rather than order "Peter Pan," I ordered a book called "Verbal Judo." Thought it might be more usefull. Thanks for the heads up.

Mr haney has sold his integrity.
(Remember what was pointed out earlier, he’s not and never was a Special Forces soldier.)

Buy something written by Paul Howe if you are looking for some good reading.

TS

Chris
04-15-2006, 20:19
Mr haney has sold his integrity.
(Remember what was pointed out earlier, he’s not and never was a Special Forces soldier.)

Buy something written by Paul Howe if you are looking for some good reading.

TS

Leadership and Training for The Fight on order. :munchin

NDD sparked review here (http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8949&highlight=paul+howe).

Pete
04-15-2006, 20:20
....with 21/2 ton one....

I seem to recall sitting in the back of a 2 1/2 ton truck late one sunny afternoon watching as some individuals fired a star cluster through the front door of a house of soiled doves.

IIRC some individuals were in a slight altercation with some locals over the charms of the ladies. The island of PR. A team we might know?:D

Texian
04-15-2006, 21:44
.)

Buy something written by Paul Howe if you are looking for some good reading.

TS
I've his book "Leadership and Training for the Fight" on order. I've read Kit Cessna's "Equal or Greater Force." Excellent book for us civilians, I think.

longrange1947
04-15-2006, 22:50
Q - 1984, IIRC, and no EH had nothing t do with it. That time frame is full of stories and most are BS. The man's initials was DB. That should firm it up.

Billy, you did win man! At least that is how my fogged brain remembers it. :D

As I remember you won the ambush on the guy that was mugging guys on Gulick too. ;)

NousDefionsDoc
12-23-2006, 11:52
I've been watching the TV show since we finally get it here. It's bad, but it could be worse - it could be America's Next Top Model...

Guy
12-23-2006, 19:36
I've been watching the TV show since we finally get it here. It's bad, but it could be worse - it could be America's Next Top Model...I wonder if the main character could even pass the swim test?!?!?!:munchin

Stay safe.

longrange1947
12-23-2006, 20:05
I wonder if the main character could even pass the swim test?!?!?!:munchin

Stay safe.

Guy! Are you being racist again? Oh wait, you can't be can you. :D

CoLawman
12-23-2006, 21:14
I cancelled the order as per your advice, Team Sergeant. However, rather than order "Peter Pan," I ordered a book called "Verbal Judo." Thought it might be more usefull. Thanks for the heads up.


Gerbil Voodoo!?!?.......hack! spit! cough!......Yeech!

That was required reading at one time in my career. Absolutely ridiculous in the context we were supposed to use it. Kinder, Gentler means to end a disturbance or dispute.................It was never implemented for reasons you will soon find out upon finishing it! Sorry for the sidetrack. Back on topic!

brianksain
12-24-2006, 12:33
I cancelled the order as per your advice, Team Sergeant. However, rather than order "Peter Pan," I ordered a book called "Verbal Judo." Thought it might be more usefull. Thanks for the heads up.

Old cop told me once "Don't use verbal judo ... use anal Karate ... just kick their ass"

Back to my hole.

hoot72
12-24-2006, 19:18
Guess I'l take everything in it with several grains of salt as I did with Andy McNab's books about SAS.


A former SAS guy actually went back to the area where the team were compromised and after extensive research and interviews with the family living on the farm and the boy who supposedly blew the whistle on the team, there were strong indications that McNab left one of his men behind who was suffering from dehydration/hypothermia (cant remember which) while they were on the retreat to die as opposed to the movie/book version that the guy disappeared.

And the big gun battle at the iraqi check point never happened.

Its sad when individuals need to resort to creating events that never happened. I dont know how he sleeps at night knowing he lied.

I actually did read Haney's book 2-3 years back and hve his book somewhere on the shelve. He does go into quite a bit of detail about how he came about joining DF and even more on operational procedures and planning.

I was quite surprised he actually did write the book, especially given the nature of delta force and their attitude to keeping all things on a low profile basis. It was perhaps quite unexpected that he would choose to write a book of all things.

hoot72
12-24-2006, 19:28
"The Unit" seems to be another version of "Over There." I am surprised they have a season 2 planned...

Anyone seen the 1st season of the British SAS drama "Ultimate Force?" Good season and good show.

Season 2 was a bloody disaster!

The Reaper
12-24-2006, 21:06
I was quite surprised he actually did write the book, especially given the nature of delta force and their attitude to keeping all things on a low profile basis. It was perhaps quite unexpected that he would choose to write a book of all things.

Like certain parts of our anatomies, every selection course has a few turds that slip through and eventually cause a stain.

TR

Team Sergeant
12-24-2006, 21:09
"The Unit" seems to be another version of "Over There." I am surprised they have a season 2 planned...


This is America, the more stupid the show the bigger the audience.

Jerry Springer has been on what 25 years?

Can you say "Wheel of Fortune"?

What are you thinking?:rolleyes:

TS

echoes
12-27-2006, 09:10
This is America, the more stupid the show the bigger the audience. TS

TS, greetings Sir. IMHO, that statement is true. Though I have run across those in the Industry who do care about such things as fact, integrity, and truth.
(Am looking through an old contact book for some info, will keep posted if I get a hold of anyone.)
Until then, if anyone is in Las Vegas and feels like a little Q & A? :lifter I found this on the web:

"CBS Corporation (NYSE: CBS and CBS.A) today announced that Leslie Moonves, President and Chief Executive Officer, will participate in a question and answer session as a keynote speaker at Citigroup's 17th Annual Entertainment, Media and Telecommunications Conference on Wednesday, January 10, 2007. The session will begin at 1:30 PM Pacific Standard Time."

Holly

Surgicalcric
12-27-2006, 10:34
..."CBS Corporation (NYSE: CBS and CBS.A) today announced that Leslie Moonves, President and Chief Executive Officer, will participate in a question and answer session...

It would be a total waste of time. As you noted, "those in the Industry" dont care about, "such things as fact, integrity, and truth."

Crip

Goggles Pizano
12-27-2006, 10:43
Old cop told me once "Don't use verbal judo ... use anal Karate ... just kick their ass"

Back to my hole.

LOL! Thanks Brian I'm writing that one down! :lifter

echoes
12-27-2006, 13:13
It would be a total waste of time. As you noted, "those in the Industry" dont care about, "such things as fact, integrity, and truth."

Crip

You are correct, and Thank You for Your Service.

Holly

Christophe
01-06-2007, 15:01
Regarding Delta; anyone know about the recruiting video that got out on the internet? I´ve seen it, and lots of people can be clearly seen in it (persec).
Any idea what the reactions were on the vid leaking?

Team Sergeant
01-06-2007, 16:19
Regarding Delta; anyone know about the recruiting video that got out on the internet? I´ve seen it, and lots of people can be clearly seen in it (persec).
Any idea what the reactions were on the vid leaking?

Sure and would you also like the nuclear launch codes and maybe a cup of tea with that request?

Christophe, do you read much on this site concerning that unit? Let me answer that for you, no. There's some things we do not discuss in "public" and this would fall under that category.

Please feel free to ask your question on the "other" military boards, you know where the teenagers and tin foil hat people enjoy answering all the questions but have never actually worn the uniform themselves.

Better yet write Foxnews and ask Ranger "haney" as he does not seem to care about OPSEC or PERSEC.

Have a nice day,

Team Sergeant

Warrior-Mentor
01-06-2007, 20:11
Sure and would you also like the nuclear launch codes and maybe a cup of tea with that request?


Can you PM me with them?

I hear there's a market for them on E-Bay... ;)

Christophe
01-07-2007, 09:17
Sure and would you also like the nuclear launch codes and maybe a cup of tea with that request?

Christophe, do you read much on this site concerning that unit? Let me answer that for you, no. There's some things we do not discuss in "public" and this would fall under that category.

Please feel free to ask your question on the "other" military boards, you know where the teenagers and tin foil hat people enjoy answering all the questions but have never actually worn the uniform themselves.

Better yet write Foxnews and ask Ranger "haney" as he does not seem to care about OPSEC or PERSEC.

Have a nice day,

Team Sergeant





TS,
Message understood; I appologise.

Could I have a beer instead of that cup of tea? ;)

NousDefionsDoc
01-15-2007, 21:30
Q - 1984, IIRC, and no EH had nothing t do with it. That time frame is full of stories and most are BS. The man's initials was DB. That should firm it up.

Billy, you did win man! At least that is how my fogged brain remembers it. :D

As I remember you won the ambush on the guy that was mugging guys on Gulick too. ;)
The episode they aired here tonight had the SGM shooting his buddy in the back in the Darien because he went rogue or something. All about the FARC and Panama, etc.

Coincidence?

CPTAUSRET
01-15-2007, 21:48
The episode they aired here tonight had the SGM shooting his buddy in the back in the Darien because he went rogue or something. All about the FARC and Panama, etc.

Coincidence?


I don't believe in coincidence!

Irish_Army01
01-16-2007, 05:42
Very interesting Thread Gents..Surly the Network will eventuality Bow down to this pressure and cope on to the Fact, that Hundreds can't be wrong over one Guy??

Or do the Care about their Fighting Men??

NotME
01-16-2007, 12:06
AFN already dropped the show. We got it all last season, but after the first show this season the program just mysteriously "vanished" from the line-up without explanation!

Team Sergeant
01-16-2007, 15:32
AFN already dropped the show. We got it all last season, but after the first show this season the program just mysteriously "vanished" from the line-up without explanation!


Ranger haney has very few friends left in the Special Operations community. Happens to everyone that "sells" their integrity. Come to think of it I've not seen him on Fox news in a long long time either.......

What comes around goes around.....

TS

Irish_Army01
01-16-2007, 15:50
Ranger haney has very few friends left in the Special Operations community. Happens to everyone that "sells" their integrity. Come to think of it I've not seen him on Fox news in a long long time either.......

What comes around goes around.....

TS


I take it ,you Guys don't give second chances to Folk who "sells" their integrity??:boohoo

Team Sergeant
01-16-2007, 18:10
I take it ,you Guys don't give second chances to Folk who "sells" their integrity??:boohoo


Stupid is as stupid does.

We ask no quarter and none will be given.

Team Sergeant

x SF med
01-16-2007, 18:46
I take it ,you Guys don't give second chances to Folk who "sells" their integrity??:boohoo

If it can be sold it is NOT Integrity, nor Honor.

FearTheCats
01-16-2007, 21:37
I used to read books all the time. Now that I have the errornet, a backyard range, and 300 channels of satellite TV, I read maybe 10 books a year. Examples lately: Cold Zero, Bravo Two Zero, Six Minutes to Freedom, 13 Cent Killers, Double Jeopardy, Dead Center. I keep a few in reserve. One of these is Inside Delta Force. There's enough BS in "real" memoirs without wasting time on total BS.

Should I:

1. sell it to an Airsofter?

2. donate it to a thrift shop?

3. test the effects of 556 M193 on it?

The Reaper
01-16-2007, 21:47
Hanging it in the outhouse would allow it to fulfil its most fitting purpose.

TR

Smokin Joe
01-16-2007, 22:33
I take it ,you Guys don't give second chances to Folk who "sells" their integrity??:boohoo


Integrity is like virginity...

Once you lose it you can never get it back.

Peregrino
01-16-2007, 22:43
Integrity is like virginity...

Once you lose it you can never get it back.


And nobody wants to hear the excuses.

FNU_LNU
01-18-2007, 12:00
It is timely that I am just finding this thread as my wife only recently asked me whether the show truly mirrors life and, if so, how comes it is on tv. Couldn't answer her question, but I do have Haney's book and echo all that has been said here regarding the stroking of his ego and seemingly detailed illustrations of what should be a closely-held group. Above being said, I don't recall him identifying himself as SF. I definitely recall him talking up his Ranger days, but can't recall a mention of him having served in SF. Assume he must have stated this in other channels?

Team Sergeant
01-18-2007, 12:13
It is timely that I am just finding this thread as my wife only recently asked me whether the show truly mirrors life and, if so, how comes it is on tv. Couldn't answer her question, but I do have Haney's book and echo all that has been said here regarding the stroking of his ego and seemingly detailed illustrations of what should be a closely-held group. Above being said, I don't recall him identifying himself as SF. I definitely recall him talking up his Ranger days, but can't recall a mention of him having served in SF. Assume he must have stated this in other channels?

Let's just say that's there's more than one soldier on this board that has served in the same unit as eric haney and the crap portrayed on tv is as real as most urban legends.

It seems eric haney has not "denied" the fact he's not or has ever been a Special Forces soldier when asked by the media. I take it he does not care to set the record straight either.

He's not the only one making money off the reputations of Special Forces soldiers.

TS

Irish_Army01
01-18-2007, 13:43
Team Sergeant,

You are correct, EH retained his 11B PMOS while in the unit and did not transition to 18 like some others do for "better career management". When he departed the unit he returned to being a regular 11B.

Karma is a bitch Mr. Haney....

R/

DA Chuck


Can you say Why he didn't go onto a 18 MOS?

The Reaper
01-18-2007, 13:50
Can you say Why he didn't go onto a 18 MOS?

Who said that he didn't want to, but couldn't hack it?

We have pretty high standards.

Not sure that Mr. Haney would make the grade.

TR

Irish_Army01
01-18-2007, 15:25
Who said that he didn't want to, but couldn't hack it?

We have pretty high standards.

Not sure that Mr. Haney would make the grade.

TR


I see..Thanks for the Clarification;)

I never doubted you Guys had the highest of standards..

scrateshooter
03-14-2007, 19:15
"Who said that he didn't want to, but couldn't hack it?

We have pretty high standards.

Not sure that Mr. Haney would make the grade."

I don't understand. He made it into "that" unit, but he possibly couldn't hack as a QP? So does "that" unit have lower standards.

Team Sergeant
03-14-2007, 20:21
"Who said that he didn't want to, but couldn't hack it?

We have pretty high standards.

Not sure that Mr. Haney would make the grade."

I don't understand. He made it into "that" unit, but he possibly couldn't hack as a QP? So does "that" unit have lower standards.

I know for a fact that some unit members attempted SFQC and failed. We will leave it at that.

eric haney has never been or ever will be a Special Forces soldier.

This thread is closed.

Team Sergeant