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Themistocles
04-11-2006, 18:43
Intelligence in War
By John Keegan.

I do not endorse this book for SF. Especially considered in light of the types of missions run by SF and the reality of the GWOT, this book is not especially useful or instructive, and your time would be better served reading other books.

The basic premise of the book is that it is the conventional wisdom that intelligence is the necessary key to success in military operations (see pages 6, 9, 15, and 334 for supporting quotes). Keegan then takes this conventional wisdom as his target, and goes on to offer a number of case studies which show that other necessary factors are involved in order to achieve victory in battle (in the case of Nelson chasing Napoleon’s fleet, persistence and determination; in the case of Midway, good luck for the Americans; in the case of the Battle of the Atlantic, the development of superior ASW technologies and tactics; etc., etc.)

The best quote is probably found on 334: “Its [the book’s] purpose is to demonstrate that intelligence, however good, is not necessarily the means to victory… That is not the currently fashionable view. Intelligence superiority, we are constantly told, is the key to success in war, particularly the war against terrorism.” Instead, Keegan believes that we should always bear in mind that, “Intelligence may be usually necessary but is not a sufficient condition of victory” (334).

A number of complaints come to mind upon reading this. First, who cares if that is the conventional wisdom? Is any harm done if we believe that ‘intelligence superiority is the key to success in war’? Keegan never identifies the problems which such a view fosters.

Second, does anyone actually believe that? Keegan never identifies or quotes any sources which promote the view (leading one to wonder if he is attacking a Straw Man). He claims that intelligence alone doesn’t win battles; I cannot think of a single person who would deny this. Obviously, force is a necessary requirement for victory in battle (for instance, a high school football team playing the NY Jets could not win the game even with perfect intelligence concerning the plays before they were run: the preponderant size, speed, and strength of the Jets’ players would overcome any intelligence advantage possessed by the high school players.)

Third, is this conventional view that far off the mark? Surprisingly, Keegan himself offers evidence that the conventional view may be right in its emphasis on intelligence in the GWOT. Consider the following quote: “In what both sides came to call ‘American warfare,’ [during the French and Indian war in the mid-18th century] intelligence remained at a premium and usually provided the basis of victory or defeat (15). In other words, in unconventional conditions which closely mirror in many respects the GWOT, Keegan candidly holds that intelligence is at a ‘premium’ and provides ‘the basis for victory or defeat’. And again, when discussing how Wellington was able to become the leading general in India in the early 19th century, he writes, “In order to win Wellington needed a steady stream of up-to-date information, from both far and near, so as to anticipate the movement of his enemies and gain forewarning of shifts of alliances, the gathering of stores, the recruitment of soldiers and other signs of offensives in the making”” (16). This sentence could just as easily have been written about Iraq, and again Keegan bluntly acknowledges that ‘in order to win’ Wellington needed ‘a steady stream of up-to-date information’. In light of these two examples which are relevant to the GWOT, is Keegan justified in writing an entire book which downplays the importance of intelligence?

Speculating on my own, I believe that Keegan simply has not adapted to the conditions of the current age. Every case study he examines involved the clash between conventional forces; there is not a single case study concerning UW or guerrilla conflict. And though he has an incredibly rich and detailed knowledge of the history of these conventional conflicts, the reality is that we are no longer living in those times. By contrast, today the enemy does not have an army in the conventional sense; today the enemy deliberately does NOT want to meet 1st world armies on the field of battle; and today the combatant/non-combatant distinction has been deliberately blurred like never before.

I believe there are a number of crucial factors which have helped heighten the emphasis on intelligence collection in the GWOT. First, compared to conventional conflicts, martial events in the GWOT can be remarkably small in size and duration (for instance, it might be a group of 8 placing weapons in a cache in Iraq over an hour, vs. General Jackson moving thousands of his troops in the Shenandoah Valley). When dealing with such small numbers (often operating in large rugged areas) you simply have to have excellent intelligence in order to be able to take any action at all. Second, as noted above, the combatant/non-combatant distinction has been blurred like never before; thus, we need good intelligence sometimes even in order to make a judgment about who is, and who is not, the enemy. Third, the high degree of global media scrutiny puts a very steep price on civilian casualties; thus very precise intelligence is needed to avoid accidental deaths which could cause political problems. These factors seem to have escaped Keegan (who does not note them in his review of the causes behind the formation of the conventional view on page 335).

On the positive side, I liked reading his case studies: there is something about British wit and dry humor that I always enjoy. But if, like myself, you are interested in intelligence in this age of the GWOT, you must look to some other book to satisfy that interest.

Roguish Lawyer
04-12-2006, 07:16
Excellent job, Themistocles. I started reading the book, was not enthralled with it, then got sidetracked and never finished it. I guess I'm still technically reading it, but I'm not sure where I put it . . . :rolleyes: :D

Solid
04-12-2006, 10:06
Keegan is widely known in the field of military history for the wide variance in the quality of his work. To see his more outstanding studies, look at The Face of Battle, and his histories of WW1 and WW2.

Intelligence in War is one of his lower-quality works. It seems, much as with his book on the Iraq War, that in this book Keegan is attempting to capitalize on the sudden concentration on intelligence which existed immediately after 9-11.

Based on the noted weakness of his argument (laid out by Themistocles), it seems that Keegan chose a counter-argument to the conventional wisdom so as to garner noteriety in the field and thereby sell more books.

That having been said, I take issue with Themistocles' question: "Is any harm done if we believe that ‘intelligence superiority is the key to success in war’?"

Intelligence is important, as you have pointed out, especially in the fight against terrorist or insurgent groups. However, resources are not infinite. The conventional wisdom following 9-11 is that 9-11, and America's perceived weakness against terrorist organizations, was a result of intelligence failures. As such, the generally proposed remedy was to perfect our intelligence systems. Many people were forced into early retirement, budgets were reallocated and rules reshaped to support a growth in our intelligence capabilities.
What Keegan is arguing is that intelligence is not the be-all-end-all of protecting our country. He is arguing that major resource re-allocation is not as necessary as was commonly believed at the time. And to this end, despite selecting some fairly arbitrary historical cases, Keegan does his job.

The take-away from what I am saying is that to understand the strengths of Keegan's work, it is necessary to put it in its chronological context. Keegan was challenging the way Americans and Brits were fetishizing intelligence, and intelligence spending, at the time. Unfortunately, the way he did this was by chosing some fairly irregular case studies, probably relying on research he had already done in the rush to publish.

In other words, a well-intentioned but otherwise flawed work.

JMO,

Solid

PS: RL, if unable to sleep relocate copy of Intelligence in War. Dosage of one chapter will result in temporary catatonic state.

The Reaper
04-12-2006, 10:18
I will say that IMHO, Intel is the absolute key to FID and UW ops.

If you know who and where the BGs are, you can conduct ops for the entire country with an SF Battalion or less.

The problem is that Intel is overcollected and compartmented at the highest levels (most technical and expensive), and not collected or disseminated at the proper lower levels, where it can be fresh and actionable.

TR

Solid
04-12-2006, 10:42
IIRC McRaven's book on Spec Ops warfare puts a premium on intelligence so as to shape the targets, goals, and techniques of individual operations.

Just putting this out there, totally off the top of my head:
It seems to me that intelligence is important to the GWOT in two ways, but that one of these ways is erroneously under-emphasized.
The iconic special operations missions like those that McRaven analyses are mostly DA. DA missions are very useful in the war on terror because they are what is needed to roll up individual cells and thereby dismember the terrorist organization. As I've said, intelligence on the BGs- who, what, when, where- is absolutely necessary to support SF ops against them.
This is the first use of intelligence.

The second is in the broader sense. It has been said many times on this board that terrorism is a product of the societies which terrorists come from. The war on terror cannot be won by constantly rolling up cells. These operations will make it very hard for the BGs to operate, but they will not stop terrorism.
The broad-base weapons against terrorism are at the policy level. Once the communities in which these terrorists operate turn against them, fewer terrorist groups will form and those that do will have a very hard time operating. To remove the circumstances which produce terrorist cells, a second kind of intelligence is needed: political science intelligence. Data sets, correlations, all the different kinds of information needed to develop an understanding of what may or may not produce the circumstances which foster terrorism.
This is the second kind of intelligence.

The second kind of intelligence, in my eyes, recieved far less funding than the first. ELINT and SIGINT, to which giant portions of the intelligence budget are dedicated, fit almost entirely into the first category of intellligence. It is left up to smaller bureaus and think-tanks to develop the second kind of intelligence. The second kind, in other words, is given less attention by the government.

Why? Well, firstly- the second kind of intelligence is given to the production of long-term solutions. The first is given to producing short-term solutions. Short term solutions more immediately protect our country, and produce obvious results. Protection of the homeland is clearly very important, and short-term visible effects are popular with politicians.

However, to really "beat terrorism", you need to concentrate on both kinds of intelligence. More funding should be given to the development of the second kind of intelligence, because it is only with this intelligence that we can begin treating the disease as opposed to just stopping its symptoms.

JMO,

Solid

jatx
04-12-2006, 10:57
At one point, I typed up a review of Keegan's book on this site, but then erased it because it was so negative. The two best chapters, IIRC, dealt with the German assault on Crete in 1941 (in which foreknowledge of the attack was insufficient to repel it) and Lee's wily campaign in the Shenandoah Valley (in which he made superior use of his knowledge of local terrain to harass Union troops). Very little else seemed relevant to today's conflicts, and Keegan has the tendency to get wrapped around the axle when describing the minutiae of historical naval warfare, for which my appetite is limited.

BTW - Good job on the review, Themistocles. Well done.

The Reaper
04-12-2006, 11:24
Bill McRaven is a smart guy, but is a SEAL and that colors his view of Spec Ops.

Solid, you seem to be mixing Tactical or Operational Intel with PSYOP. The PSYOP guys are needed to change the thinking of the populace to aid with rolling up cells as well as causing people to refuse to support the BGs. They will do their own intel assessment and develop plans based on that, most of it, pre-conflict, IIRC. Shooters will gather their own intel and use that from others at their level and higher as well.

Agree with your assessment on SIGINT/IMINT/COMINT/ELINT. Also remember that they require large hardware purchases, which drives procurement and Congressional expenditures. Military-Industrial complex stuff.

BTW, jatx, Lee never operated in the Shenandoah during the Civil War. He did command the raid on John Brown at Harper's Ferry just before the war. What troops did he lead there?

TR

jatx
04-12-2006, 11:52
My mistake, TR, I meant to say Jackson. :o I know you're a Civil War buff - have you studied his leadership of the Valley Army in 1862?

The Reaper
04-12-2006, 12:08
My mistake, TR, I meant to say Jackson. :o I know you're a Civil War buff - have you studied his leadership of the Valley Army in 1862?

Some.

Well-fought. Quick, aggressive, mobile warfare at the Division-Corps level before many had thought of it. Concentrate, strike an isolated element, and move fast again. Excellent use of the terrain. Incredibly successful diversionary effort against from 2:1 up to as many as 5:1 odds. When you can take the offensive against those odds, you have some significant talent.

TR

Team Sergeant
04-12-2006, 12:21
Intelligence in War
By John Keegan.

Intelligence superiority, we are constantly told, is the key to success in war, particularly the war against terrorism.” Instead, Keegan believes that we should always bear in mind that, “Intelligence may be usually necessary but is not a sufficient condition of victory” (334).


We’ve enjoyed intelligence supremacy for decades maybe centuries and where has it gotten us? Funny how were still fighting the same war for a millennia......

We knew where bin laden was prior to 9/11 and could have eliminated him. We were not allowed to take action…..

We knew the Iraqis had set up houses for the purpose of torturing, raping and murdering Kuwaitis, we knew where and how many. We were not allowed to take action…..

We knew the Iraqis were placing charges on the oil wells and intended to blow them. We were not allowed to take action……

We knew terrorists we taking flying lessons…..

We use every type if intelligence platform to gather this intelligence costing billions of dollars a year. We gather more intel in one year than most countries combined. Yet we take no action.

It’s amazing how much we know after a catastrophe strikes.

I would venture to say most intel, for various reasons, is never acted upon.

The best intelligence in the world is worthless unless acted upon.

TS

Solid
04-12-2006, 12:29
TR,
Based on my readings around CA/PSYOPS on a global scale, it seems to me that their funding and numbers are so limited that their effects are at such a local level that they are incapable, despite successes, to enact the broad change required to kill of the "terrorism disease". I agree with you on the military-industrial complex incentives regarding what kind of intelligence recieves the most funding. I think that the limitations on CA/PSYOPS scale are a direct result of this concentration.
Some of our eggs are in the wrong basket, in other words, and IMO if we really want to enact long-term change the govt. needs to reallocate those eggs.

On Stonewall Jackson, I remember one of the important comments Keegan makes is that the mobile-style warfare that Jackson used was not only counter to the training being given at West Point, but also way ahead of its time. It would take America, IIRC, until WW2 to really subscribe to mobile warfare techniques.

Solid

jbour13
04-12-2006, 12:44
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The best intelligence in the world is worthless unless acted upon.

TS

Being a soldier first and an intelligence soldier second (to none ;) ).....I could not agree more.

Below is for those that have little experience in this field. QP's and others on this site....I apologize beforehand if any offense is taken. This is not intended as an insult to you, but an informed perspective (mine) to shed some light on it.

I've seen first hand the inadequate responses to actionable intelligence that were sqaushed due to bureaucracy. I have also seen haphazad planning to act on questionable intelligence. Neither one produce successful results.

As an intel soldier, your requirements are to gather info. Most times you have a focus and interest in particular types of info. I'm not alone in the belief that providing focus to soldiers inherently makes them blinded in their approach. They will attack a subject like a rabid dog and get all the requested info but some will leave out additional info because it wasn't asked for. Give a soldier leeway and you'd be suprised what will come along in addition to what was requested.

That little tid-bit of info may create a solution or shed light on an up to that point unknown or potential problem. All soldiers have the responsibility to collect info, not just intel soldiers. The largest body, and most capable intel collectors are infantrymen. Their additional duty is to spot, assess and report critcal battlefield info. Given the shear size of the infantry corps makes this our most valuable asset. That's why the army exists, we all (SF aside) work for the infantry.

I hate to think that some intel is never acted upon to meet someones personal, professional, or political goals. Sadly, I think the latter is the most likely to invoke silence to see how well they can say "See, I told you so!".

Soapbox returned

The Reaper
04-12-2006, 13:38
TR,
Based on my readings around CA/PSYOPS on a global scale, it seems to me that their funding and numbers are so limited that their effects are at such a local level that they are incapable, despite successes, to enact the broad change required to kill of the "terrorism disease". I agree with you on the military-industrial complex incentives regarding what kind of intelligence recieves the most funding. I think that the limitations on CA/PSYOPS scale are a direct result of this concentration.
Some of our eggs are in the wrong basket, in other words, and IMO if we really want to enact long-term change the govt. needs to reallocate those eggs.

On Stonewall Jackson, I remember one of the important comments Keegan makes is that the mobile-style warfare that Jackson used was not only counter to the training being given at West Point, but also way ahead of its time. It would take America, IIRC, until WW2 to really subscribe to mobile warfare techniques.

Solid

This touches on our lack of seriousness about the GWOT as a nation. We provide most of the media (movies, TV, music) to the world, and their view of the world (and us) is shaped by that. People respond as they do in opinion polls because they get their info from the media, and the questions asked are selected by the pollers to get the response they want. If not, they weight the reponses.

I have no formal PSYOP training, but IMHO, we should have a national media campaign making movies, TV shows, songs, and commercials condemning radical Islam and terrorism for what it is. Then we should be beaming it over every satellite, cable, TV, and radio station we can find around the world and especially into Islamic areas. Make the message whatever will resonate, I don't know, "Radical Islam is bad", "terrorism sucks", "kill your radical Imam", whatever.

Then each country or region should get specially targeted messages for their issues and populace. An integrated PSYOP plan, if you will. You didn't see too many movies in WW II condeming American soldiers for atrocities and trying to understand the enemy or present a "balanced view".

If we could get the alleged "good" Moslems to take action against the "bad" Moslems, this thing should be over pretty quickly (in relative terms) and at worst, the leadership of those nations would have to focus on internal security problems rather than stirring up trouble in other countries or threatening their neighbors.

As it is now, Hollywood and the media outlets compete to see who can undermine the war effort at home the fastest. I wish they could underestand what their movies (and lives) will look like under Sharia law, and why we are fighting to prevent that.

TR

Jack Moroney (RIP)
04-12-2006, 14:30
The problem is that Intel is overcollected and compartmented at the highest levels (most technical and expensive), and not collected or disseminated at the proper lower levels, where it can be fresh and actionable.

TR

Absolutely.

In addition it is the person who is defining the requirements for the information that is often the problem child if in fact he is not going to be the one that will be carrying out the mission. It is also the origin of the many turf battles and gunfights over who should be authorized to develop sources and methods to obtain what is needed. Unfortunately what is looked upon by one agency as the way to do business is absolutely screwing the pooch to others who need an entirely different perspective. Until folks on the ground that are going to be required to perform the op are also given the authority and tools to do the job of gaining the information they need so that the intell-shooter link is shortened this is always going to be a problem. It just does not work well in a risk adverse culture because too many folks are more concerned about careers then they are about the trigger puller.