View Full Version : YOUR education system at work - again
NousDefionsDoc
04-11-2006, 17:56
http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49676
Good job teach...
We wonder why our children are "unsat" in reading, math and science.
Goggles Pizano
04-12-2006, 06:48
We wonder why our children are "unsat" in reading, math and science.
Depends upon the school system or teacher. Yesterday my 6 year old comes home telling me about the pictures her teacher showed the class of how our soldiers are helping the people of Iraq and Afghanistan! The 6 year old continues by stating her teacher told her these are the good things that are not seen enough on your parent's television. I suppose the other side (libs, ACLU, etc) would simply write that up as indoctrination and their message as information! I already gave the teacher kudos this morning with a simple thank you.
I'd rather eat crackers and jelly for the rest of my days in order to send my kids to private school in this country....well this State anyway.
Nothing intelligent or educational at all about that filmstrip. Putting myself in the shoes of a kid, I wouldn't have actually learned anything from that "material" about anything Bush or the current administration actually did. Just typical Liberal propaganda.
I think that teacher should have been fired for showing materials with vulgar language to students without getting approval. Not to mention the highly questionable educational value.
When I was in High School, my History teacher wanted to show us Saving Private Ryan, but he was turned down by the Principal because of the "violence".
Roguish Lawyer
04-12-2006, 07:32
I think teachers need to leave politics and religion out of the public school classroom unless it relates directly to the subject matter of what they are teaching. I'd fire any teacher who broke that rule.
The Reaper
04-12-2006, 09:45
I think teachers need to leave politics and religion out of the public school classroom unless it relates directly to the subject matter of what they are teaching. I'd fire any teacher who broke that rule.
Agreed.
Geography, English, and Math teachers have no business commenting on politics or current events in the classroom.
History, Political Science, and Civics teachers should be the only ones treading
on this path, and then, only at the proper point in the curriculum.
Your position as a teacher does not give you the right to indoctrinate students with your particular political spin, regardless of what the NEA says.
TR
Since I retired I spend up to eight months a year overseas doing Contract work. There is only one principle reason for me doing this. Keeping my kids out of the public School System and in private School. It's a shame anyone should have to do this. The difference in our kids attitudes and knowledge (7-8 years old when they started in private School) after the first year in private School was amazing. Before going to private School my Daughter asked us when was Martin Luther King President? We had to teach our Son to read; Public School couldn't do it and tried to blame him. That is when the decision was made to go with the private School System. Oh he reads excellent now.
Roguish Lawyer
04-12-2006, 19:00
Since I retired I spend up to eight months a year overseas doing Contract work. There is only one principle reason for me doing this. Keeping my kids out of the public School System and in private School. It's a shame anyone should have to do this.
Your kids are lucky to have you as a parent. I agree it's a terrible shame.
NousDefionsDoc
04-12-2006, 19:04
Don't believe him, he lives for this shit. If he didn't have me to make fun of, he'd die.;)
incommin
04-21-2006, 11:38
The only answer to anything these days is to throw more $$$$ at it. That is why our taxes are high and nothing seems to work!
Your kids are lucky to have you as a parent. I agree it's a terrible shame.
RL That is the turth about Parents.
The key is the Parent(s), I know with my Daughter, she was having problems in school. Her teacher stated all the time, "Keep doing what your doing with Her." I know other teachers that say, that some many parents just don't care about their kids.
Today schools really aren't like they use to be, if they were good then. :o
It near the end of the year and my kids class is getting ready for their EOG. Well, in talking to my son (2nd Grade) about his test. He told me that they basically get a JM school Practice, Per-test, and then Test. I'll explain....
I.E.: (he's telling me now) They take a test (this is what they have done in the pass, this year) and look it over. The teacher will cover the exam. They have a Practice Test that they take on a Scan-TRON type of bubble test answer sheet, after which they class will go over the parts everyone missed. Then at the end of the week they will test on it as a pre-test exam. The teacher will work with people that need more help for the test (EOG). Now I don't think they can "pass out" the EOG, but all of these 9-week test they are doing this style of testing. WTF
Man, Why do teachers have to give the kids a pre-exam? Look my kids showed me what his last test was and we talked off of that test. He said that is what he will be doing this week. He can't now because he is at home with the Chicken Pox. I guess that what you get with a No Child is Left Behind Act being unfunded.
Education Systems at Work.
I usually just sit back and read these comments as my military days are antiquated.I will make these comments as a veteran of 36 years in education.It really is the parents responsibility to see that the student is headed in the right direction. If you do you will be rewarded, if not, don't point fingers at the education system.At the college level it is hard to pull this off. Even in a public school(we are not all peds.and all administrators are relatively straight shooters) you can and should monitor your student,and their teachers, if not, shame on you.Home school usually doesn't work because the student looses social skills.This doesn't mean it won't work IF the situation is closely watched by the parent.Most of the students I have come in contact with were behind academically and socially upon returning from Home schooling.Parents that attend school academic functions such as P-T conferences,etc. and calling the teacher direct if something is bothering you---you might find out the REAL story.Just my humble opinion.Here in Michigan they tell us to improve all our national and state test scores and leave no child behind then we must lay off teachers due to lack of funds-- its a difficult situation for the school districts.
Home school usually doesn't work because the student looses social skills. This doesn't mean it won't work IF the situation is closely watched by the parent.Most of the students I have come in contact with were behind academically and socially upon returning from Home schooling.Its worked for everbody I've met that tried. College scores proved it. Many studies show that they do well in college and society. For me homeschool does not mean I isolate my kids from the world, but I do have much more control of what the see, do, and who the play with. They are very social, and the do not bring home bad habits from other kids. Building character in them is what is most important to me, and it is a lot easier without outside interfence from other kids as well as teachers/school policies that cross the line (the few that do).
The Reaper
04-27-2006, 14:47
I agree that home schooling works and produces comparable or better students than public schools.
Home schoolers that I know have prepared better educated kids with less social pressure and better reasoning skills than comparable public school educated peers. None of them are hermits or socially isolated unless geographic reasons create that situation.
Many students today are in public school because it is where they go for free meals and day care. Many teachers are marginally qualified and are in their positions because the union has established tenure, and spend their time trying to indoctrinate students with their particular version of the truth. Logic and critical thinking are not taught, nor encouraged.
TR
Bravo1-3
04-27-2006, 18:14
I disagree that home schooling doesn't work due to a lack of socialization. I home schooled my oldest child for kindergarten and first grade, and my middle boy for kindergarten. Both of them read well above grade level, and can do all of the basic mathematical skills as well as some they will not get to learn until middle school. All three of my children are very active outside of school with sports, martial arts, scouts, or just playing with the neighborhood kids.
My oldest is probably the most well behaved and rational child in his age group. The two oldest are in Public School for the time being until I can arrange to get them into a decent secular private school... or until I get fed-up and quit my job and have time to be a full-time teacher again.
Socialization is not the sole domain of the education system.
Nail on the head Bravo 1-3. I always here about the lack of social activity if you home school. If the only social activity your kids are getting is in School something is wrong, especially public School. There are many programs out there. 4-H, Sports....etc. I understand some people have no choice because of their financial or personal situation. I had to deal with public School until I retired and could make some more money. Couldn't home School because the Wife worked. The last year my oldest was in public School (Hoke County N.C in the third grade) She had 32 kids in her class. It was kaos of Biblical proportions. All they did was prep for that end of year test so the School could look good and get funding.
Flipping unbelievable. From what I understand students have 5 count 'em 5 opportunities to take/pass this test. It's unfair according to the judge.
This ruling serves NO ONE.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aq9ehXsLMSFA&refer=us
California Students Win Ruling Over High School Exam (Update1)
May 12 (Bloomberg) -- More than 47,000 California high school seniors will be able to graduate next month after a state judge blocked a law requiring students to pass an exit exam.
Judge Robert Freedman in Oakland today ruled the California High School Exit Examination, required for the first time this year, is unfair because some teachers aren't certified in the subjects tested, according to Arturo Gonzalez, a lawyer for the students.
Freedman's decision upholds an injunction blocking the state department of education from denying a diploma to any high school seniors who passed all required courses. State Superintendent of Public Instruction Jack O'Connell said lawyers for the schools have asked the court to stay the injunction as they prepare an appeal to Freedman's decision.
The ruling is ``bad news for employers who want meaning restored to our high school diplomas,'' O'Connell said in a conference call with reporters. ``We do no favors to unprepared students by handing them a diploma without the skills needed to back them up.''
California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger said he supports O'Connell's decision to appeal the ruling, adding in a statement that the exit exam is the ``best resource'' for ensuring students are learning the ``skills they need to begin successful lives.''
Gonzalez cautioned students that they need to pass their classes in order to graduate. Freedman's decision gives ``47,000 students an opportunity to walk the stage with their classmates and to receive their high school diplomas,'' he said in a statement.
The case is Valenzuela v. O'Connell, Judicial Council Coordination Proceeding No. 4468, Alameda County Superior Court, Oakland.
Bill Harsey
05-12-2006, 18:08
All kids homeschooled in this house. It must work, they're getting so smart they think I'm a dumbass.
I should ask my wife to read this post, she is a educator. Long time back she did testing for placement in a community college. She commented to me at how well home schooled kids did as a group.
They have a resouce network here in Oregon that helps home schoolers to have a effective class room. My kids are in the local schools. we are fortuante and have a very good school district. One of the schools was a old rural school. Small class sizes and excellent teachers. The kids are now in the Big City of Dallas.............. Oregon that is.
I think it is important for parents to be envolved in their children education, Obviously home schoolers are doing that, but why aren't more of the public school's children parents doing it? That, IMHO, is a big problem in our public schools.
All kids homeschooled in this house. It must work, they're getting so smart they think I'm a dumbass.
teenagers?
Bill Harsey
05-13-2006, 08:01
teenagers?
Yes.
Monkey stomping is still available. :D
Well, here is yet another fine example of our "educators" at work. I heard this while getting ready for work this morning on a talk radio show here.
This is really an unbelievable read. :rolleyes:
http://www.rethinkingschools.org/archive/21_02/lego212.shtml (article is very long...)
Why We Banned Legos
Winter 2006
Illustration: David McLimans
Exploring power, ownership, and equity in an early childhood classroom
By Ann Pelo and Kendra Pelojoaquin
Carl and Oliver,* both 8-year-olds in our after-school program, huddled over piles of Legos. They carefully assembled them to add to a sprawling collection of Lego houses, grocery stores, fish-and-chips stands, fire stations, and coffee shops. They were particularly keen to find and use "cool pieces," the translucent bricks and specialty pieces that complement the standard-issue red, yellow, blue, and green Lego bricks.
"I'm making an airport and landing strip for my guy's house. He has his own airplane," said Oliver.
"That's not fair!" said Carl. "That takes too many cool pieces and leaves not enough for me."
"Well, I can let other people use the landing strip, if they have airplanes," said Oliver. "Then it's fair for me to use more cool pieces, because it's for public use."
Discussions like the one above led to children collaborating on a massive series of Lego structures we named Legotown. Children dug through hefty-sized bins of Legos, sought "cool pieces," and bartered and exchanged until they established a collection of homes, shops, public facilities, and community meeting places. We carefully protected Legotown from errant balls and jump ropes, and watched it grow day by day.
After nearly two months of observing the children's Legotown construction, we decided to ban the Legos.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YmQwMGVjNTU5YTQ5ZWU3MDE1NjBjNjkwZTQ0MmJhNWE=&w=MA==
Banning Legos
And building a world where “all structures will be standard sizes.”
By John J. Miller
Perhaps you’ve heard about the schools that have banned tag. Or dodgeball. Or stories about pigs.
If so, you won’t be surprised to hear that the Hilltop Children’s Center in Seattle has banned Legos.
A pair of teachers at the center, which provides afterschool activities for elementary-school kids, recently described their policy in a Rethinking Schools cover story called “Why We Banned Legos.” (See the magazine’s cover here.)
It has something to do with “social justice learning.”
My vision of social justice for children of elementary-school age is as follows: If you’re tagged, you’re it; if the ball hits you, you’re out; and pig stories are fun, especially when told over microwaveable hot dogs.
But I try to keep an open mind, so I read the article on why Hilltop banned Legos.
As most aficionados know, Legos are made by a Danish company. The company name comes from the Danish phrase leg godt, which means play well. “Lego became a national treasure and one of the strongest brands in the toy industry,” wrote The Economist last year. “Its colorful bricks are sold in over 130 countries: everyone on earth has, on average, 52 of them.”
In their Rethinking Schools article, teachers Ann Pelo and Kendra Pelojoaquin describe how the kids at Hilltop built “a massive series of Lego structures we named Legotown.” I sensed that something was rotten in the state of Legotown when I read this description of it: “a collection of homes, shops, public facilities, and community meeting places.”
My children have spent a large portion of their young lives playing with Legos. They have never, to my knowledge, constructed “community meeting places.” Instead, they make monster trucks, space ships, and war machines. These little creations are usually loaded with ion guns, nuclear missiles, bunker-busting bombs, force-field projectors, and death-ray cannons. Alien empires have risen and fallen in epic conflicts waged in the upstairs bedrooms of my home.
Perhaps kids in Seattle, under the careful watch of their latte-sipping guardians, are different. But I don’t think so.
At Hilltop, however, the teachers strive to make them different. “We recognized that children are political beings, actively shaping their social and political understandings of ownership and economic equity,” write Pelo and Pelojoaquin. “We agreed that we want to take part in shaping the children’s understandings from a perspective of social justice. So we decided to take the Legos out of the classroom.”
The root cause of Hilltop’s Lego problem was that, well, the kids were being kids: There were disputes over “cool pieces,” instances of bigger kids bossing around little ones, and so on.
An ordinary person might recognize this as child’s play. But the social theorists at Hilltop saw something else: “The children were building their assumptions about ownership and the social power it conveys — assumptions that mirrored those of a class-based, capitalist society — a society that we teachers believe to be unjust and oppressive.”
Pelo and Pelojoaquin continue: “As we watched the children build, we became increasingly concerned.”
So they banned the Legos and began their program of re-education. “Our intention was to promote a contrasting set of values: collectivity, collaboration, resource-sharing, and full democratic participation,” they write.
Instead of practicing phonics or memorizing multiplication tables, the children played a special game: “In the game, the children could experience what they’d not been able to acknowledge in Legotown: When people are shut out of participation in the power structure, they are disenfranchised — and angry, discouraged, and hurt. ... The rules of the game — which mirrored the rules of our capitalist meritocracy — were a setup for winning and losing. ... Our analysis of the game, as teachers, guided our planning for the rest of the investigation into the issues of power, privilege, and authority that spanned the rest of the year.”
After “months of social justice exploration,” the teachers finally agreed it was time to return the Legos to the classroom. That’s because the children at last had bought into the concept that “collectivity is a good thing.” And in Hilltop’s new Lego regime, there would be three immutable laws:
All structures are public structures. Everyone can use all the Lego structures. But only the builder or people who have her or his permission are allowed to change a structure.
Lego people can be saved only by a “team” of kids, not by individuals.
All structures will be standard sizes.
You can almost feel the liberating spirit of that last rule. All structures will be standard sizes? At Hilltop Children’s Center, all imaginations will be a standard size as well: small.
The Reaper
03-28-2007, 17:43
Sounds like they need to watch the Hillary 1984 video again.
Big brother, socialism, equality, "social justice", they want it all, without paying for it.
Wait till utopia meets the real world, gets it collective ass beaten, and their Legos taken away.
That will be a heck of a lesson, won't it?
TR
Indeed...it will be a rude awakening, TR.
Karl.Masters
03-28-2007, 18:04
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YmQwMGVjNTU5YTQ5ZWU3MDE1NjBjNjkwZTQ0MmJhNWE=&w=MA==
Banning Legos
And building a world where “all structures will be standard sizes.”
By John J. Miller
So they banned the Legos and began their program of re-education. “Our intention was to promote a contrasting set of values: collectivity, collaboration, resource-sharing, and full democratic participation,” they write.
Lego people can be saved only by a “team” of kids, not by individuals.
All structures will be standard sizes.
You can almost feel the liberating spirit of that last rule. All structures will be standard sizes? At Hilltop Children’s Center, all imaginations will be a standard size as well: small.
I see that these two instructor sheep are training the little sheep to be successful in the big flock when they grow up.
Sionnach
03-29-2007, 08:51
I usually just sit back and read these comments as my military days are antiquated.I will make these comments as a veteran of 36 years in education.It really is the parents responsibility to see that the student is headed in the right direction. If you do you will be rewarded, if not, don't point fingers at the education system.At the college level it is hard to pull this off. Even in a public school(we are not all peds.and all administrators are relatively straight shooters) you can and should monitor your student,and their teachers, if not, shame on you.Home school usually doesn't work because the student looses social skills.This doesn't mean it won't work IF the situation is closely watched by the parent.Most of the students I have come in contact with were behind academically and socially upon returning from Home schooling.Parents that attend school academic functions such as P-T conferences,etc. and calling the teacher direct if something is bothering you---you might find out the REAL story.Just my humble opinion.Here in Michigan they tell us to improve all our national and state test scores and leave no child behind then we must lay off teachers due to lack of funds-- its a difficult situation for the school districts.
You're an educator? I'm out of my lane here, but... As an educator, you should know, when typing, there are two spaces after each period. There are none after your periods, making your statement look like one long string.
I know the real story about indoctrination in government schools. My niece came home from school, and told me that "it's not right that some people have nicer cars than others." Where'd she learn that? Why, government school, of course. I can continue, but my point is made.
I'm sorry, sir, but you trying to tell me that our government schools are not broken using a statement full of typing errors is like me shooting 22/40 on the range and then trying to tell TeamSergeant how to shoot.
Going back to my lane.
Edit: There are good government schools and government school teachers. I am speaking in general. :)
Ret10Echo
03-29-2007, 10:34
I have no issue with home-schoolers, in fact I have some very good friends who have chosen that course for their children. Their kids are fine, well adjusted and do not burst into flames if exposed to sunlight. My daughter attends a public school. I won’t say which one because I fear some ACLU idiot or so called national “educator” association would show up.
My daughter has had the pleasure of attending school in several locations as we have moved around. She has attended a total of 5 schools up to the current middle school. We have experienced the DoDDs schools and public schools in various states.
The school she currently attends has been a pleasure to work with. Note that my daughter does extremely well in class and tends to be an over-achiever (wonder where she got that from). The teachers are for the most part very attentive. Mind you two gym teachers were, shall we say, “relieved” last year for interaction with girls in the middle school. Only one of the teachers was a male.
My daughter brings to school the values and morals that she gets at home. If the opposite is in effect then your “chi” is out of alignment. She holds her own on discussions concerning military and government because we discuss those things at home. She brings her Christian values with her because that is what she gets at home. She is not persuaded by the teachers (to the point of having an argument with an evolutionist science teacher) to change her moral values. She takes the information and applies it as necessary to complete the course of instruction. She doesn’t have to sell out.
The school band does in fact have “Christmas” concerts. The music played is traditional Christian Christmas carols. The book report she is currently working on is on several volumes of the Left Behind series. Yes, this is in public school!
No child gets ahead does make things difficult for the teachers, but it does not make it impossible and does not suffice as an excuse. Parents should demand excellence from their children, as should teachers from their students. You get out of the system what you put in. If you equip your children with what they need to bring to the fight they will be victorious. If you throw up your hands and quit then you get what you get....
Hope my syntax is correct:confused:
When I think about them programming kids' young minds with this horse-puckey it made me mad.
But when I read this...
It's important that the little Lego plastic person has some identity.
...it made me laugh so hard I spit water out my nose.
Obviously, the teachers are the ones who wield the supreme tyrannical power in legotown. If the community does not adopt the teachers' views and values, the town is taken away and destroyed.
hunteran
03-29-2007, 21:36
Flipping unbelievable. From what I understand students have 5 count 'em 5 opportunities to take/pass this test. It's unfair according to the judge.
I took that test last year and I was blown away. It is, by far, the easiest test I have EVER taken. The math is mostly basic arithmetic and the english portion is insultingly easy. Anyone who can't pass the test either can't speak english, or is as dumb as a box of rocks. The only good thing about the test is everyone except the sophomores get to sleep in until 9:45, in other words, it is a TOTAL waste of time.
Goggles Pizano
03-30-2007, 10:42
I took that test last year and I was blown away. It is, by far, the easiest test I have EVER taken. The math is mostly basic arithmetic and the english portion is insultingly easy. Anyone who can't pass the test either can't speak english, or is as dumb as a box of rocks. The only good thing about the test is everyone except the sophomores get to sleep in until 9:45, in other words, it is a TOTAL waste of time.
Yup, CA does it again.
shadowwalker
03-31-2007, 06:55
Quote by Gypsy
All structures will be standard sizes.
You can almost feel the liberating spirit of that last rule. All structures will be standard sizes? At Hilltop Children’s Center, all imaginations will be a standard size as well: small.
First I should explain that education happens to be one of my soapbox issues.
The above quote reminds me of a song in the 60's or 70's that was meant to be a political and social statement.
The song was about a young boy whose teacher was not pleasant or creative. He was told to color a picture and he wanted to use all the colors of the rainbow, but the teach told him that he was wrong and must color the flowers red and the grass green. Eventually the boy complied. Then his family move and there was a new teacher that was smiling and pleasant and she told the children that they could use all the colors of the rainbow, but the boy stoically continued to color the flower red and the grass green.
This is a sad statement on educators. I believe in a perfect world educators should be revered as one of the top professions best they are meant to mold young minds not retard their thought processes.
Live to Ride
Ride to Live
shadowwalker
03-31-2007, 07:08
Orginally posted by Sionnach
As an educator, you should know, when typing, there are two spaces after each period.
I agree he had a number of run on sentences without any spacing between the sentences, but according to APA English, now there is only one space between a period and a new sentence. I am in my senior year of college for Business management and I was previously use to MLT English. By the way most schools have already transitioned to APA English or are in the process of doing so. It took me a month to break myself from double spacing after a period.
Live to Ride
Ride to Live
All structures are public structures. Everyone can use all the Lego structures. But only the builder or people who have her or his permission are allowed to change a structure.
Lego people can be saved only by a “team” of kids, not by individuals.
All structures will be standard sizes.
Gypsy, after reading this, I can think of only one thing:
The Fountainhead, by Ayn Rand.
One of my favorite books...opening a person's eyes to the true meaning of "collectivism " and the damage it causes in soceity.
Holly
x SF med
04-02-2007, 14:49
Obviously, the teachers are the ones who wield the supreme tyrannical power in legotown. If the community does not adopt the teachers' views and values, the town is taken away and destroyed.
Oh No, there goes Tokyo, Go Go Godzilla!!! More Cowbell!!! (thank you BOC and SNL for making this comment on a lame ass educational system possible - brought to you by the number 6)
hijack / rant on:
I am in my senior year of college for Business management and I was previously use to MLT English. By the way most schools have already transitioned to APA English or are in the process of doing so.
OOOH, a business major - not really known for writing skills, are we? I can say this, I do have an MBA, but I studied Liberal Arts (English Literature, Language and Rhetoric; History; Anthropology; Philosophy) for my undergrad degrees prior to caving in and studying business to make a living - most Business Schools, IMHO, do a lousy job of actually educating anybody - they are trade schools. Ok educational and business creds established, here's the issue:
I believe you mean MLA, and according to the latest MLA guide which is used for most academic writing, 2 spaces after a period are still de rigeur (used by English, History, Anthropology, Philosophy, Journalism and Basic Social Sciences ex psychology). APA is a niche format for Hard Social Sciences, and Hard Science - why a Business Management program is using it is beyond me, it is a difficult to read, and so formulaic format that even Scientists hate - but is loved by PhD's due to it's obfuscative characteristics.
Read Orwell's "Politics and the English Language", get a copy of the recently updated "Elements of Style" (aka Strunk & White), and a good English Handbook - I'm prejudiced toward the Harbrace Handbook since I used to be on the team that edited / developed / published it (10th - 13th ed.) Those will give you a pretty good idea of writing for clarity rather than writing for distraction - APA's main objective, it seems.
hijack / rant over.
Oh No, there goes Tokyo, Go Go Godzilla!!! More Cowbell!!! (thank you BOC and SNL for making this comment on a lame ass educational system possible - brought to you by the number 6)
Sir,
No comprende...
Edit to Add: My History Professor was prior Army Inel, and a helluva speaker. He once told a class that "the rag-heads who are cutting off Our guys heads" should pay!
Holly:o
The Fountainhead, by Ayn Rand.
Have to admit I've not read it, guess it needs to go on my list. Thanks.
shadowwalker
04-04-2007, 19:58
OOOH, a business major - not really known for writing skills, are we? I can say this, I do have an MBA, but I studied Liberal Arts (English Literature, Language and Rhetoric; History; Anthropology; Philosophy) for my undergrad degrees prior to caving in and studying business to make a living - most Business Schools, IMHO, do a lousy job of actually educating anybody - they are trade schools. Ok educational and business creds established, here's the issue:
I believe you mean MLA, and according to the latest MLA guide which is used for most academic writing, 2 spaces after a period are still de rigeur (used by English, History, Anthropology, Philosophy, Journalism and Basic Social Sciences ex psychology). APA is a niche format for Hard Social Sciences, and Hard Science - why a Business Management program is using it is beyond me, it is a difficult to read, and so formulaic format that even Scientists hate - but is loved by PhD's due to it's obfuscative characteristics.
Read Orwell's "Politics and the English Language", get a copy of the recently updated "Elements of Style" (aka Strunk & White), and a good English Handbook - I'm prejudiced toward the Harbrace Handbook since I used to be on the team that edited / developed / published it (10th - 13th ed.) Those will give you a pretty good idea of writing for clarity rather than writing for distraction - APA's main objective, it seems.
hijack / rant over.
I have given some thought as to how to reply to your post. Yes, I am a business major and actually I am known for my writing skills, I have been published. I do not know when you were in school or when you received your MBA, but I am presently attending school to receive my BSBM. You were correct that I meant MLA and not MLT, we all get one dyslectic moment.
I also studied Liberal Arts before deciding upon my present major. I love literature, language, history and philosophy. I brought to the table 166 college credit hours, with the exception of my military education, and the two years of college that I tested out of. The rest of the credits were in the Liberal Arts areas. I chose Business Management for two reasons, one it was an area I was not familiar with and two it would make me more employable.
I checked with my instructor to make sure I had not misstated myself, in the fact that most colleges and universities are going to an APA format. I was correct. I am not quite sure why you feel that ‘APA is a niche format for Hard Social Sciences’, I find it to be more user friendly than MLA. I am also not sure why you believe that ‘most Business Schools…do a lousy job of actually educating anybody’. I value the education I am receiving presently as much as I valued my studies in Liberal Arts. All knowledge is valuable.
Lastly, before you pass judgment or make corrections, you might want to edit your own writing. Rigeur is spelled rigueur and creds is slang for credentials. I hope that this was clearly written and did not cause you any distraction, which is not ‘APA’s main objective’.
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